Conservation in the home is meaningless

06-29-12, 02:55 AM

Yeah, I know, I worked for PIRGs all over the country and GreenPeace. They all try to make you think that you tiny little personal contribution means something when everybody does it and ... oh why can't everybody recycle their garbage...

It's lies. Until the large corporations are ordered to recycle it means nothing. Until the Hotels are ordered to conserve water, it means nothing.

Until the large agri-corps are ordered to stop killing our poor people with pesticides and laziness, it means nothing.

Don't fall for the lies of this "green" movement. It is created and run by the corporations that you should be rising up against.

They are preempting your action, which you are not taking. Duh

You are all stupid f'ing cows that follow the chute to hell, or highwater, or just pian outrage... which is how they like to keep us.

STOP IT YOU STUPID HUMANS! YOU HAVE LITTLE TIME.

Daox · 06-29-12, 09:28 AM

I'd have to disagree pretty much completely. Not only does conservation at home save me a good chunk of money, but you also have to start somewhere to see the effect spread. It all starts with educating people on the effects of what they do.

Hotels cater to what their clients want. If you don't teach people that conservation is important at home how will people have any idea that a hotel is wasting water at a rediculous rate? How will the clients or management know? They won't, and that means they'll do things like they've always been done and not even think twice about it. Over the past couple of years I've seen hotels start to use water conservation (hang up your towel = don't wash it every day), and shower heads with non-rediculous flow rates. To say no progress has been made here would be a mistake.

I'm not sure about New Mexico, but businesses here all recycle a lot of stuff. All the offices I've been in have paper recycling. I work at a place that does a lot of work with steel and of course we recycle the scrap, its worth money.

Lastly, if you are going to rant that is fine. But, do not insult the members of this forum.

MN Renovator · 06-29-12, 11:04 AM

The result of conservation, my house:

Winter 2009 to 2010 Natural gas usage highest two months usage is pretty much the same to my usage in the trailing 12 months.

Electricity and gas costs combined, including pesky ~$10.50 monthly service fees for both come out to $700/year total. 2200 sq ft house in an area where it gets down to -20f in the winter on a yearly basis and where we have about 10 days of around -10f.

Pretty good for a house with a non-energy star refrigerator, cost sucking electric dryer, 76% efficient furnace, and a 26 year old air conditioner.

Conservation: Still meaningless? If I were not useful, my costs would be substantially higher.

Piwoslaw · 06-29-12, 03:16 PM

My complaining about large companies and corporations wasting too much would be worthless if I myself didn't conserve and recycle.

benpope · 06-29-12, 03:18 PM

One day when I was a boy, my grandmother took me to the park. As we walked around the pond I picked up a stone from the path to throw it into the water. My grandmother turned, stopped me and said, "Don't throw that stone into the water. If everyone threw a stone into the pond there wouldn't be a pond."

I am only one tiny stone. But tiny stones are important.

randen · 06-29-12, 05:01 PM

Really Dirtflinger! You may have selected the wrong site for opinions like that. Did you read the tittle, "Eco-Renovators". For our household we have saved about $5000.00 /year by switching to GSHP and Solar Hotwater. For the heating of my business we saved $3000.00 this past heating season by the means of a homemade ground source heat pump that I learned to build here. The large corporation that used to supply heating oil is no longer stopping here. Locally there are (corporate) wind turbines and solar farms providing Clean electricity that I use in part to operate the GSHPs. Do you realize that some automotive manufactures have started making electric cars. Ford Focus,Nissan Leaf,Chev Volt(hybrid)and the famous Tesla. Lets keep up the momentum. If you buy and drive these cars, heat/cool with Heat pumps and mount solar on your home the corporations will do well, employing people and move away from burning dinosaurs.

Randen

Ryland · 06-29-12, 10:47 PM

Sure large corporations are using more energy in a single building then I do in my single house, but a percentage of what they are doing is being done for me, a grocery store is selling food to 1,000's of people, so just like a bus uses more fuel then a compact car, if you fill the buss up it uses less fuel per person then the best car on the road and if we all push for improvements both at home and at work then we make a huge impact!
In the last 3 years I've cut both my heat bills in half and my electric bills while adding charging an electric car in to the mix, allowing me to save enough money that I have a pretty great life style on a part time job and I'm not lacking anything or making do without, I'm just using energy in better ways.
While I agree that we should make sure that we use our quota of energy so that those people who do have kids don't have anything to pass on to their children, I'm just to cheap to go along with that.

roflwaffle · 06-29-12, 10:56 PM

That's inaccurate. Private users/homes account for about 40-50% of all energy consumed in the U.S. Passenger vehicles use most of the oil in the U.S. (probably 20+%) and about half off all the electricity generated (another ~20%), plus whatever is required for heating.

P.S. I imagine this would be a great angle for someone running a "false flag" operation on behalf of some collection of fossil fuel companies.

pinhead · 07-01-12, 12:07 PM

Large corporations are made of nonhuman psychopaths....
Oh wait, actually they are comprised of you and I.

herlichka · 07-01-12, 01:19 PM

Maybe the net benefits of my eco-renovation projects aren't financially significant, but I'm planting the seeds. My grandchildren know what my solar panels do, they know what the blue box and green boxes are for, and they know about reducing fuel needs by watching the thermostats and limiting our vehicle use.

It may take a generation or two to happen, but one day these kids (and yours) will be the decision makers who take eco concerns to the next level. I will have done my job if they use what they are learning now!

P.S. It may be just my sense of humour, but is there something Freudian about your choice of username?

06-29-12, 02:55 AM	#1
DirtFlinger Guest Posts: n/a	Conservation in the home is meaningless Yeah, I know, I worked for PIRGs all over the country and GreenPeace. They all try to make you think that you tiny little personal contribution means something when everybody does it and ... oh why can't everybody recycle their garbage... It's lies. Until the large corporations are ordered to recycle it means nothing. Until the Hotels are ordered to conserve water, it means nothing. Until the large agri-corps are ordered to stop killing our poor people with pesticides and laziness, it means nothing. Don't fall for the lies of this "green" movement. It is created and run by the corporations that you should be rising up against. They are preempting your action, which you are not taking. Duh You are all stupid f'ing cows that follow the chute to hell, or highwater, or just pian outrage... which is how they like to keep us. STOP IT YOU STUPID HUMANS! YOU HAVE LITTLE TIME.

06-29-12, 09:28 AM	#2
Daox Administrator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Germantown, WI Posts: 5,525 Thanks: 1,162 Thanked 374 Times in 305 Posts	I'd have to disagree pretty much completely. Not only does conservation at home save me a good chunk of money, but you also have to start somewhere to see the effect spread. It all starts with educating people on the effects of what they do. Hotels cater to what their clients want. If you don't teach people that conservation is important at home how will people have any idea that a hotel is wasting water at a rediculous rate? How will the clients or management know? They won't, and that means they'll do things like they've always been done and not even think twice about it. Over the past couple of years I've seen hotels start to use water conservation (hang up your towel = don't wash it every day), and shower heads with non-rediculous flow rates. To say no progress has been made here would be a mistake. I'm not sure about New Mexico, but businesses here all recycle a lot of stuff. All the offices I've been in have paper recycling. I work at a place that does a lot of work with steel and of course we recycle the scrap, its worth money. Lastly, if you are going to rant that is fine. But, do not insult the members of this forum. __________________ Current project - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. & To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by Daox; 06-29-12 at 09:31 AM..

06-29-12, 03:16 PM	#4
Piwoslaw Super Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 964 Thanks: 189 Thanked 111 Times in 87 Posts	My complaining about large companies and corporations wasting too much would be worthless if I myself didn't conserve and recycle. __________________ Ecorenovation - the bottomless piggy bank that tries to tame the energy hog.

06-29-12, 05:01 PM	#6
randen Uber EcoRenovator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Strathroy Ontario Canada Posts: 657 Thanks: 9 Thanked 191 Times in 129 Posts	Conservation in the home is meaningless ???!! Really Dirtflinger! You may have selected the wrong site for opinions like that. Did you read the tittle, "Eco-Renovators". For our household we have saved about $5000.00 /year by switching to GSHP and Solar Hotwater. For the heating of my business we saved $3000.00 this past heating season by the means of a homemade ground source heat pump that I learned to build here. The large corporation that used to supply heating oil is no longer stopping here. Locally there are (corporate) wind turbines and solar farms providing Clean electricity that I use in part to operate the GSHPs. Do you realize that some automotive manufactures have started making electric cars. Ford Focus,Nissan Leaf,Chev Volt(hybrid)and the famous Tesla. Lets keep up the momentum. If you buy and drive these cars, heat/cool with Heat pumps and mount solar on your home the corporations will do well, employing people and move away from burning dinosaurs. Randen

06-29-12, 11:04 AM	#3
MN Renovator Less usage=Cheaper bills Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 940 Thanks: 41 Thanked 117 Times in 91 Posts	The result of conservation, my house: Winter 2009 to 2010 Natural gas usage highest two months usage is pretty much the same to my usage in the trailing 12 months. Electricity and gas costs combined, including pesky ~$10.50 monthly service fees for both come out to $700/year total. 2200 sq ft house in an area where it gets down to -20f in the winter on a yearly basis and where we have about 10 days of around -10f. Pretty good for a house with a non-energy star refrigerator, cost sucking electric dryer, 76% efficient furnace, and a 26 year old air conditioner. Conservation: Still meaningless? If I were not useful, my costs would be substantially higher.

06-29-12, 03:18 PM	#5
benpope Helper EcoRenovator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 95 Thanks: 16 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	One day when I was a boy, my grandmother took me to the park. As we walked around the pond I picked up a stone from the path to throw it into the water. My grandmother turned, stopped me and said, "Don't throw that stone into the water. If everyone threw a stone into the pond there wouldn't be a pond." I am only one tiny stone. But tiny stones are important.

06-29-12, 10:47 PM	#7
Ryland Master EcoRenovator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Western Wisconsin. Posts: 913 Thanks: 127 Thanked 82 Times in 71 Posts	Sure large corporations are using more energy in a single building then I do in my single house, but a percentage of what they are doing is being done for me, a grocery store is selling food to 1,000's of people, so just like a bus uses more fuel then a compact car, if you fill the buss up it uses less fuel per person then the best car on the road and if we all push for improvements both at home and at work then we make a huge impact! In the last 3 years I've cut both my heat bills in half and my electric bills while adding charging an electric car in to the mix, allowing me to save enough money that I have a pretty great life style on a part time job and I'm not lacking anything or making do without, I'm just using energy in better ways. While I agree that we should make sure that we use our quota of energy so that those people who do have kids don't have anything to pass on to their children, I'm just to cheap to go along with that.

06-29-12, 10:56 PM	#8
roflwaffle Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 116 Thanks: 29 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts	That's inaccurate. Private users/homes account for about 40-50% of all energy consumed in the U.S. Passenger vehicles use most of the oil in the U.S. (probably 20+%) and about half off all the electricity generated (another ~20%), plus whatever is required for heating. P.S. I imagine this would be a great angle for someone running a "false flag" operation on behalf of some collection of fossil fuel companies.

07-01-12, 12:07 PM	#9
pinhead Helper EcoRenovator Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada! Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Large corporations are made of nonhuman psychopaths.... Oh wait, actually they are comprised of you and I.

07-01-12, 01:19 PM	#10
herlichka Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Simcoe County, Ontario, Canada Posts: 102 Thanks: 11 Thanked 15 Times in 10 Posts	Maybe the net benefits of my eco-renovation projects aren't financially significant, but I'm planting the seeds. My grandchildren know what my solar panels do, they know what the blue box and green boxes are for, and they know about reducing fuel needs by watching the thermostats and limiting our vehicle use. It may take a generation or two to happen, but one day these kids (and yours) will be the decision makers who take eco concerns to the next level. I will have done my job if they use what they are learning now! P.S. It may be just my sense of humour, but is there something Freudian about your choice of username?