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KVAR Energy Controllers
I've seen these advertised at a semi local energy fair and was wondering what exactly it did. For owners who are billed a KVA demand charge according to the power factor of their equipment, power factor correction may be useful. For residential users, the only advantage in terms of energy consumption would be via line losses.
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Given an entire household full of items with PFCs of .6, something like this could save upwards of 150kWh/year. Which at the average rate in the U.S. is around $15/year. The only problem with this is the price of the unit... Assuming the owner installs the device themselves, it would only take a mere 25 years to recoup it's initial cost, and on the other side of the spectrum, for those of us who aren't electricians, want to keep the warranty, and don't have many devices w/ a low PFC, well... a payback period of more than a century may be possible. This is a bit puzzling considering that the site states the device has an... Quote:
In short, given the high cost and low potential savings, even for a residential home with nothing but low PFC items, these cannot amortize their costs anywhere near the claimed time interval. That being said, it looks that a circuit for passive power factor correction can be put together on the cheap, so even if the mentioned product isn't the best this isn't an idea w/o merit. Last edited by roflwaffle; 10-01-08 at 06:06 PM.. |
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10-02-08, 06:11 AM | #2 |
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Very odd, I've never heard of a system like that. I'm guessing, like you mentioned, it wouldn't save much electricity especially if your house is properly wired.
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Too funny : Saving Energy
You can't send your electricity back. If you could, the counter counts only in one way. I have been told that you are paying the kWh, not the kVAh, where kWh = kVAh x cos(phi). All systems with motors, transformers... have cos(phi) != 1. My kill-a-watt shows the cos(phi). iirc my computer has a cos(phi) of 0.8-0.9. I remember on a notebook with LCD off the cos(phi) was going down a lot (0.5 iirc) and then the VA was higher than when LCD was on. On the same time the kWh was lower when the LCD was off than when it was on. I don't think this thing is something else than a placebo, but I'm OK if someone shows me I'm wrong. Denis.
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10-02-08, 11:20 AM | #4 |
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Almost surely a placebo, at least at that price/described effect since utility meters measure watts, although an individual DIY circuit to correct the power factor may be worthwhile due to line losses. I guess someone (deliberately?) forgot to use a RMS multimeter or actual electricity meter to measure energy consumption.
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I work in the Brandeis University High Energy Physics Lab. We did a study on the KVAR Energy Controller. We found that the KEC is nothing more than a capacitor in a box. In order to save money and energy, power correction must be done at the device, not at the breaker panel. That means that in all but very strange and specific situations, different KECs would have to be applied at each load whose power factor you want corrected. Here is a link to our report:
alignment.hep.brandeis.edu/Lab/KVAR/ |
07-16-10, 04:55 PM | #6 |
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KVARs are money makers. If you are selling them..
I like this one.. KVAR Power Factor Correction in the Home is a Scam
I can't believe that people are still buying these capacitors (for outlandish prices) after all the information that's available on the web about them.. The line loss calculations for a washing machine at 0.11 Ohms made me laugh, a lot of Digital VOM meters have leads that show 0.2 or 0.3 Ohms!! Not like in the old days, when you could Zero your meter.. |
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