Review: Rheem HP50RH Water Heater

hikerjohnson · 08-20-13, 02:33 PM

I decided to take advantage of a lovely combination of events and get myself a brand-new heat pump water heater!

First, Home Depot was having a sale, and marked down the 50-gallon Rheem HP50Rh to $1200 from $1500.

Second, they sent me a 10% off coupon.

Third, Maine offers a $500 cash rebate for heat pump water heaters.

Fourth, the Feds give back another 10% ($120) in tax credit.

Fifth and final, Home Depot offered free 18-month financing!

So, for around $460 when all is said and done, I have a new, shiny toy! I figure that amount of cash will be recouped over the life of the heater. Also, I get a perfectly good 50-gallon electric water heater to use for some unspecified purpose in the future... (solar??)

Now, it turns out that this model is being discontinued in favor of a higher COP model that will be coming out sometime soon, so that tempers the usefulness of this report.

Installation was straightforward, with one pointed difference from a normal water heater: the cold water inlet is down onthe bottom, and the hot water outlet it about 3/4 of the way up on the side. This thing, by the way, is almost 7 feet tall (Heavy, too!). It looks a bit like a Dalek sans arms and eyestalk.

You can see the temporary nature of the install, the control panel is around the backside right now, and the condensate line runs down to a small condensate pump on the floor that also serves my dehumidifier, at the foot of the water heater.

It has been installed for about two weeks now, and just looking at the daily energy usage reports from the power company, I can see that power consumption is down noticeably, but I will have to wait until month's end to see what my month-on-month numbers are for electric usage.

The experience has been very positive so far. It has a stated COP of 2.0, though I have no hard numbers to back that up. I'd like to know, but I'm still thinking about how I can datalog to do it.

The heat pump, when operating, blows a fair bit of cold air into the basement, and sounds like an old dehumidifier, with a noticeable noise through the whole basement. In the living spaces, you can hear it in the kitchen, but it sounds like the refrigerator is running, nothing more. It's not audible anywhere else in the house.

It takes a chunk of the dehumidification load off my basement dehumidifier, which cycles noticeably less since I installed the water heater. When operating, you can see a steady trickle of water streaming down the drain tube and into the condensate pump.

All in all, I am very happy with it!

If anyone has specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

Future plans for this include installing an electric meter so that I can totalize energy consumption for hot water. Also, I will be moving it to another spot in the basement, as all my copper lines are rotted, and will be replaced with PEX this winter.

Daox · 08-23-13, 04:18 PM

Wow thats a steal at that price. Nice find.

Thanks for the review!

NiHaoMike · 08-23-13, 08:54 PM

I'm surprised it only has a COP of 2, which is 6.8 EER. A cheap window A/C has 9.7 EER or more. (2 is not bad for a solid state unit, which that one is not.)

Daox · 08-23-13, 09:44 PM

Perhaps the COP of 2 is due to the higher temp of the water?

hikerjohnson · 08-23-13, 10:45 PM

That would be my guess as well with regard to the low COP. In a few weeks I will be re-wiring the electric to the water heater, I am going to route it through a refurbished electric meter, so that I will be able to know for certain what my energy consumption is. I am also looking for a cheap water meter to plumb into the water line; then I would know quantitatively what my energy input was per gallon of water out.

Anyone know of a source for cheap water meters?

I just ordered 3 electric meters from Hialeah Meter Company, they were about 30 dollars each for an EZ-Read meter and meter socket, shipped. Seems like the most economical way to submeter, though it does require me to physically go and record the meters. For the price, I can deal with that.

Ryland · 08-23-13, 11:34 PM

Have you ever put a watt hour meter on your dehumidifier? I'd like to know how much it's saving you in that area, my dehumidifier is one of the largest electrical loads in the house, costing $10 or more per month and a water heater like this should take care of most of the dehumidification.

jeff5may · 08-24-13, 02:19 AM

They should call that unit the lighthouse.

hikerjohnson · 08-24-13, 07:38 AM

Funny you should ask, Ryland. I am in process of cataloging electrical loads in my house this weekend; I'll update with that value when I have it.

Unfortunately, my basement is very damp in the spring and early summer, so the dehumidifier is a necessary evil. I am very curious to find out what fraction of the dehumidification load the heater will take, but I suspect it will be small, due mostly to the fact that we are a 2-person household, and just don't consume enough hot water daily to make the heater run all that much.

blahname · 09-09-13, 11:55 AM

Do you mind me asking a dumb question about that water heater - the heat pump is directly on top of the tank?

Wonder if it might be possible to separate the two without too much piping hassle, or if I would need to maybe circulate outside air past the unit.

I've been looking for ways to heat hot water to circulate under my floors, but haven't found anything fantastic so I'm still hauling wood every year to the woodstove.

hikerjohnson · 09-09-13, 01:25 PM

Not a dumb question. The pump is mounted directly to the top of the tank, yes.

I suppose anything is possible, but I do not think you would gain anything by remotely mounting this unit, as you would lose energy in the transmission pipes and in the pumping, even if they were insulated. You also need to have this in a room with a lot of volume, not a broomcloset or under the stairs, as it extracts the energy from the air around it, and you need a lot of air to heat 50 gallons of water.

If I were to try heating with this heater, I think I would use the heater as it is, and just run the water through it directly, or with a heat exhanger.

But, I don't belive the heat pump is big enough to handle a large sustained load.

08-20-13, 02:33 PM	#1
hikerjohnson Submarine Renovator Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 35 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Review: Rheem HP50RH Water Heater I decided to take advantage of a lovely combination of events and get myself a brand-new heat pump water heater! First, Home Depot was having a sale, and marked down the 50-gallon Rheem HP50Rh to $1200 from $1500. Second, they sent me a 10% off coupon. Third, Maine offers a $500 cash rebate for heat pump water heaters. Fourth, the Feds give back another 10% ($120) in tax credit. Fifth and final, Home Depot offered free 18-month financing! So, for around $460 when all is said and done, I have a new, shiny toy! I figure that amount of cash will be recouped over the life of the heater. Also, I get a perfectly good 50-gallon electric water heater to use for some unspecified purpose in the future... (solar??) Now, it turns out that this model is being discontinued in favor of a higher COP model that will be coming out sometime soon, so that tempers the usefulness of this report. Installation was straightforward, with one pointed difference from a normal water heater: the cold water inlet is down onthe bottom, and the hot water outlet it about 3/4 of the way up on the side. This thing, by the way, is almost 7 feet tall (Heavy, too!). It looks a bit like a Dalek sans arms and eyestalk. You can see the temporary nature of the install, the control panel is around the backside right now, and the condensate line runs down to a small condensate pump on the floor that also serves my dehumidifier, at the foot of the water heater. It has been installed for about two weeks now, and just looking at the daily energy usage reports from the power company, I can see that power consumption is down noticeably, but I will have to wait until month's end to see what my month-on-month numbers are for electric usage. The experience has been very positive so far. It has a stated COP of 2.0, though I have no hard numbers to back that up. I'd like to know, but I'm still thinking about how I can datalog to do it. The heat pump, when operating, blows a fair bit of cold air into the basement, and sounds like an old dehumidifier, with a noticeable noise through the whole basement. In the living spaces, you can hear it in the kitchen, but it sounds like the refrigerator is running, nothing more. It's not audible anywhere else in the house. It takes a chunk of the dehumidification load off my basement dehumidifier, which cycles noticeably less since I installed the water heater. When operating, you can see a steady trickle of water streaming down the drain tube and into the condensate pump. All in all, I am very happy with it! If anyone has specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Future plans for this include installing an electric meter so that I can totalize energy consumption for hot water. Also, I will be moving it to another spot in the basement, as all my copper lines are rotted, and will be replaced with PEX this winter. Last edited by hikerjohnson; 08-23-13 at 08:26 AM.. Reason: noting temporary installation, added photos

08-23-13, 04:18 PM	#2
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08-23-13, 08:54 PM	#3
NiHaoMike Supreme EcoRenovator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,154 Thanks: 14 Thanked 257 Times in 241 Posts	I'm surprised it only has a COP of 2, which is 6.8 EER. A cheap window A/C has 9.7 EER or more. (2 is not bad for a solid state unit, which that one is not.) __________________ To my surprise, shortly after Naomi Wu gave me a bit of fame for making good use of solar power, Allie Moore got really jealous of her...

08-23-13, 09:44 PM	#4
Daox Administrator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Germantown, WI Posts: 5,525 Thanks: 1,162 Thanked 374 Times in 305 Posts	Perhaps the COP of 2 is due to the higher temp of the water? __________________ Current project - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. & To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-24-13, 07:38 AM	#8
hikerjohnson Submarine Renovator Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 35 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Funny you should ask, Ryland. I am in process of cataloging electrical loads in my house this weekend; I'll update with that value when I have it. Unfortunately, my basement is very damp in the spring and early summer, so the dehumidifier is a necessary evil. I am very curious to find out what fraction of the dehumidification load the heater will take, but I suspect it will be small, due mostly to the fact that we are a 2-person household, and just don't consume enough hot water daily to make the heater run all that much. Last edited by hikerjohnson; 08-24-13 at 07:39 AM.. Reason: Typo.

08-23-13, 10:45 PM	#5
hikerjohnson Submarine Renovator Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 35 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	That would be my guess as well with regard to the low COP. In a few weeks I will be re-wiring the electric to the water heater, I am going to route it through a refurbished electric meter, so that I will be able to know for certain what my energy consumption is. I am also looking for a cheap water meter to plumb into the water line; then I would know quantitatively what my energy input was per gallon of water out. Anyone know of a source for cheap water meters? I just ordered 3 electric meters from Hialeah Meter Company, they were about 30 dollars each for an EZ-Read meter and meter socket, shipped. Seems like the most economical way to submeter, though it does require me to physically go and record the meters. For the price, I can deal with that.

08-23-13, 11:34 PM	#6
Ryland Master EcoRenovator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Western Wisconsin. Posts: 913 Thanks: 127 Thanked 82 Times in 71 Posts	Have you ever put a watt hour meter on your dehumidifier? I'd like to know how much it's saving you in that area, my dehumidifier is one of the largest electrical loads in the house, costing $10 or more per month and a water heater like this should take care of most of the dehumidification.

08-24-13, 02:19 AM	#7
jeff5may Supreme EcoRenovator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: elizabethtown, ky, USA Posts: 2,431 Thanks: 431 Thanked 619 Times in 517 Posts	They should call that unit the lighthouse.

09-09-13, 11:55 AM	#9
blahname Lurking Renovator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Do you mind me asking a dumb question about that water heater - the heat pump is directly on top of the tank? Wonder if it might be possible to separate the two without too much piping hassle, or if I would need to maybe circulate outside air past the unit. I've been looking for ways to heat hot water to circulate under my floors, but haven't found anything fantastic so I'm still hauling wood every year to the woodstove.

09-09-13, 01:25 PM	#10
hikerjohnson Submarine Renovator Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 35 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Not a dumb question. The pump is mounted directly to the top of the tank, yes. I suppose anything is possible, but I do not think you would gain anything by remotely mounting this unit, as you would lose energy in the transmission pipes and in the pumping, even if they were insulated. You also need to have this in a room with a lot of volume, not a broomcloset or under the stairs, as it extracts the energy from the air around it, and you need a lot of air to heat 50 gallons of water. If I were to try heating with this heater, I think I would use the heater as it is, and just run the water through it directly, or with a heat exhanger. But, I don't belive the heat pump is big enough to handle a large sustained load.