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oil pan 4 · 09-16-19, 10:10 AM

Tesla will be king of batteries only for as long as ford or gm allow them to be.

u3b3rg33k · 09-16-19, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Tesla will be king of batteries only for as long as ford or gm allow them to be.

You say that, but look at VAG/Jag. Tesla has a huge head start, and makes their own chemistry in house. They've also made substantial improvements in recent history. the others are all buying from OEMs.

randen · 09-21-19, 03:24 PM

Rivian has sold 100k delivery vans to Amazon. Where are the big three???? And Tesla has the Shanghai plant finished with cars to be in production end of the year. GM,Ford,Chrysler the walking dead as Jack Richard has said

Randen

jjackstone · 09-22-19, 12:21 PM

And if Tesla is able to integrate supercaps into its battery system then it's lights out for the big three. Unless of course they want to buy batteries from Tesla.
JJ

jeff5may · 09-22-19, 01:14 PM

Just had another communication meeting with the product development guys at Ford. They're really going to bring it, starting next year. The team is in the " anticipation building" phase now: not saying a whole lot officially, just releasing tidbits and teasers for what they will be releasing soon. The corporation has already gone all in on battery electric vehicles, so they want people to want these vehicles before they release any concrete information. They intend to completely change the automotive industry and public perception of its future.

The magic number seemed to be 3 regarding plans and specs. 3 charging rates, 3 hours to charge from dead to full, 300 mile range, 30 percent less maintenance, 3 reasons to want them (performance, efficiency and price). They said it was a "30 year opportunity"; newest thing in 30 years, aimed at 30-something buyers. Aiming to beat the other "3 models" (Tesla model 3, VW id3, BMW i3, etc.). 3 key launches (f150, transit van, cross-stang).

The way these guys are talking, they have a lot of wild cards up their sleeves. If initial rollout doesn't go as well as intended, they have ammunition in reserve to further the cause. Either way, the first 3 "critical" launches are a pilot program for another dozen eggs they plan to hatch back to back over the next few years.

u3b3rg33k · 09-23-19, 12:27 AM

now hear this: Daimler Ends Gas Engine Development: Full Focus On Electric Cars
https://insideevs.com/news/371793/da...electric-only/

Remember, it's just a fad tho.

oil pan 4 · 10-02-19, 09:06 PM

Their gasoline engines suck anyways.
Hopefully they don't build their motors and drives in house.

pinballlooking · 10-02-19, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by u3b3rg33k

now hear this: Daimler Ends Gas Engine Development: Full Focus On Electric Cars
https://insideevs.com/news/371793/da...electric-only/

Remember, it's just a fad tho.

Great news. We are heading into exciting times.

pinballlooking · 11-13-19, 10:54 AM

They converting the whole plant to produce EV's.

VW breaks ground on massive Tennessee EV plant, dubbed a “magic moment” by CEO

https://electrek.co/2019/11/12/vw-br...nMvbyOa0udO-Zk

oil pan 4 · 11-15-19, 06:01 AM

Oh with a 300 mile range we will say the truck gets 3 miles per kwh.
So the battery would need to be at least 100kwh of use able capacity. To replenish 300 miles of range in 3 hours you would need at least a 33kw charger circuit.
That's 138 amps of 240v power. That's pretty much everything you can get out of a 200 amp service.

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09-16-19, 10:10 AM	#71
oil pan 4 Land owner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NM Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 12 Thanked 127 Times in 107 Posts	Tesla will be king of batteries only for as long as ford or gm allow them to be.

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randen Uber EcoRenovator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Strathroy Ontario Canada Posts: 658 Thanks: 9 Thanked 192 Times in 130 Posts	Rivian has sold 100k delivery vans to Amazon. Where are the big three???? And Tesla has the Shanghai plant finished with cars to be in production end of the year. GM,Ford,Chrysler the walking dead as Jack Richard has said Randen

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jjackstone Helper EcoRenovator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sacramento,Ca Posts: 88 Thanks: 5 Thanked 32 Times in 23 Posts	And if Tesla is able to integrate supercaps into its battery system then it's lights out for the big three. Unless of course they want to buy batteries from Tesla. JJ

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jeff5may Supreme EcoRenovator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: elizabethtown, ky, USA Posts: 2,431 Thanks: 431 Thanked 619 Times in 517 Posts	Just had another communication meeting with the product development guys at Ford. They're really going to bring it, starting next year. The team is in the " anticipation building" phase now: not saying a whole lot officially, just releasing tidbits and teasers for what they will be releasing soon. The corporation has already gone all in on battery electric vehicles, so they want people to want these vehicles before they release any concrete information. They intend to completely change the automotive industry and public perception of its future. The magic number seemed to be 3 regarding plans and specs. 3 charging rates, 3 hours to charge from dead to full, 300 mile range, 30 percent less maintenance, 3 reasons to want them (performance, efficiency and price). They said it was a "30 year opportunity"; newest thing in 30 years, aimed at 30-something buyers. Aiming to beat the other "3 models" (Tesla model 3, VW id3, BMW i3, etc.). 3 key launches (f150, transit van, cross-stang). The way these guys are talking, they have a lot of wild cards up their sleeves. If initial rollout doesn't go as well as intended, they have ammunition in reserve to further the cause. Either way, the first 3 "critical" launches are a pilot program for another dozen eggs they plan to hatch back to back over the next few years.

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u3b3rg33k Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Rustbelt, USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 5 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts	now hear this: Daimler Ends Gas Engine Development: Full Focus On Electric Cars https://insideevs.com/news/371793/da...electric-only/ Remember, it's just a fad tho.

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oil pan 4 Land owner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NM Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 12 Thanked 127 Times in 107 Posts	Their gasoline engines suck anyways. Hopefully they don't build their motors and drives in house.

11-15-19, 06:01 AM	#80
oil pan 4 Land owner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NM Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 12 Thanked 127 Times in 107 Posts	Oh with a 300 mile range we will say the truck gets 3 miles per kwh. So the battery would need to be at least 100kwh of use able capacity. To replenish 300 miles of range in 3 hours you would need at least a 33kw charger circuit. That's 138 amps of 240v power. That's pretty much everything you can get out of a 200 amp service.