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Old 05-28-10, 02:52 PM   #261
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I find your DIY ground source project very interesting. You've put a lot of effort into it. Is it complete? Are you happy with the performance results?

I'd love to hear where this project stands and if completed, how the system is performing.
Thank you for your interest in the Homemade Heat Pump Manifesto.

The short answer is that the project is on temporary hold.

The long answer is that all the digging I did last summer really took it's toll on me. Physically, things are better now, but not completely back to normal.

Moral of that story: Unless you're under 35, use electric or gas powered earth-moving tools wherever you can. That's why they're there.

I'm currently submerged in a kitchen/bathroom remodel that is taking a surprising amount of time. I currently have no bathing facilities and barely have a pot to piss in (literally). When I've made more headway, I'll post a report on what I've done. I think it'll be of interest to readers of Ecorenovator.

The approaches and tests and tools that I developed for the project are all valid and good. I'm actually surprised that I haven't yet heard of anyone else trying to build a ground source homemade heat pump.

So, when I have made enough headway on my remodel project that the basic essential elements of civilized life have returned, I'll get back to the GSHP project.


In the meantime, the two ends of the polyethylene ground loop are still sticking through the wall of my basement, waiting for me.

We had lots of hard rain this winter, and no leaking happened, I'm very happy to report.

If you're interested in beginning a project similar to mine, I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have.

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Old 07-29-10, 02:35 PM   #262
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Great post. I know that you have other projects, but I am interested as well if you have got back to the heat pump project. I am thinking about installing a system to help heat my 650 sqf shop. If that works well I was thinking of trying to do a system for the house.
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Old 07-29-10, 02:44 PM   #263
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Old 07-29-10, 02:47 PM   #267
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First post got posted when I tired previewing it. Here is the rest:

I am planning on putting together a system for my 650 sqf shop so that I don't have to run a wood stove all the time. If it goes well I want to then look at doing the same thing for the house.

I was planning on doing a ground water version so as to save some time and money.

What I am really interested in is your homemade heat pump. I didn't see where you go to on this post, but there was a link that showed one of your completed models. Here was the photo on that link:


If you have any more info on your pump, I would love to see it. That is the only thing that is keeping me from trying to do the groundwater heat pump system, is the pump.

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Old 07-30-10, 08:39 PM   #268
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I am planning on putting together a system for my 650 sqf shop so that I don't have to run a wood stove all the time. If it goes well I want to then look at doing the same thing for the house.

I was planning on doing a ground water version so as to save some time and money.

What I am really interested in is your homemade heat pump. I didn't see where you go to on this post, but there was a link that showed one of your completed models.

If you have any more info on your pump, I would love to see it. That is the only thing that is keeping me from trying to do the groundwater heat pump system, is the pump.
Hello Greebe, welcome to Ecorenovator...

A 650 square foot shop, huh? Sounds just great.

Don't know if you read the whole thread from the beginning, but what motivated me in the first place was that I wanted to try to come up with the most efficient heating I could for my small home. My home is not much bigger than your shop, and I don't heat the whole thing, plus the winters here in Western Oregon are pretty mild compared to much of North America and many parts of the world.

After much study, I concluded that it is more important to reduce the amount of heat energy you require, rather than to try to generate more.

This lead me to realize that I needed to make very large improvements in my insulation, which has come a long way, and is still in progress. I am removing the lath & plaster, thickening the walls an additional 2 inches, and layering in rigid foam board to fill the wall cavities. I have since learned that there are easier, cheaper, more environmental ways to proceed in insulating, but my work is paying off nonetheless.

After talking to an old-timer, I have come to realize that I don't need to heat the entire house. It was seen as absurdly wasteful as far back as the early 1700's and it is still absurdly wasteful today.

Solar home heating is tough where I live, as it is so overcast most of the winter.

So, considering all of the above, the most efficient heating system I could find is Ground Source Heat Pump with Radiant Floor Heating. Very expensive to put in, very cheap to run.

I say all this, because my heating requirements are low. In fact, they are so low that there is no commercially produced Ground Source Heat Pump that is correctly sized (small enough) for my needs. Ground Source Heat Pumps for warm forced air can be found on Ebay in the neighborhood of 1.5 Tons, more capacity than I need, but not unreasonable. Water-in water-out, on the other hand tends to start in at around 4 Tons (and about 4 Tons of cash).

Since I don't have so much money, I thought I'd try a DIY.

I started out building the heat pump from a used dehumidifier. I started there because I thought it would be the most difficult part. It really wasn't so difficult actually.

The ground loop was the most difficult. It just about did me in.

My advice to you would be to start with radical insulation (about 2x greater than your local codes require), then use electric heaters and Kill-a-Watt meters to find out how much heat you really need, then contact some well drillers and/or some GSHP installers near you, to find out how much loop field you're going to need to create that heat. You should also investigate high efficiency ASHP, as they are getting pretty good.

After you know how much loop field, then it is time to build your Heat Pump.

* * *

But, hey... if you want to start with the heat pump, I can walk you through it, right here.

If you (or anyone else for that matter) want to do it as an experiment, go get a small Air Conditioner or De-Humidifier.

Let me know when you have your unit, and we'll get started...

-AC_Hacker

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Hi,
My name is Ciaran, I have enjoyed reading, very interesting!!
Do you have any more info on how you put together the heat pump,
Thanks!!!!
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My name is Ciaran, I have enjoyed reading, very interesting!!
Do you have any more info on how you put together the heat pump,
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Hello Ciaran,

Yes, I'd like to help.

Exactly what kind of information are you interested in?

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