01-22-12, 10:46 AM | #1 |
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Hack Your Refrigerator!
While searching for something else, I came across a very interesting article about radically reducing the energy consumed by a refrigerator. The target audience for this article is people who are living off the grid, and are trying to maintain many of the aspects of civilization, in this case, refrigeration. The beauty of this is that all of the ideas given here will help in reducing power consumed no matter where you live. The ideas range from mild (check the door gasket) to wild (cut a hole in the north side of your house for the heat dissipation coils to protrude from). Of particular interest to me is the idea that refrigerator's energy use can be reduced by more efficiently extracting the waste heat by water-cooling the condenser coils. The water used to cool the coils can become water pre-heat for domestic hot water... a double win! Definitely food for thought here. Topics include:
This guy is no stranger to thinking outside the box. Lots of great ideas. Curiously, the idea of converting a freezer to a refrigerator was not mentioned. -AC_Hacker
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01-22-12, 01:09 PM | #2 |
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I had considered three thoughts:
1/ Cut two holes in the fridge and utilize a differential controller to operate dampers and fans to introduce the Canadian cold outside air into the fridge. Con: alot of care has to be taken to ensure no Canadian air enters and cools the house. 2/ Move the condensor coil outside the house to free cool air. Con/pro: The warm air blowing accross the floor from the condensor is nice on the feet on winter mornings. Its welcomed extra heat inside the house. 3/ Try propane as the refrigerant. Con/pro: Maybe I'll try this one. The larger energy demands for our home we have reduced with good results Geo-thermal heating & cooling and the solar hot water for domestic and space heating and our lighting needs are met with mostly LED and CFLs. I would expect our energy pie graph would look much different. My next endeavor will be an electric pick-up truck. For me this is the next largest energy hog i'd like to slaugter. This will be a hole new thread up & coming. Randen |
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The cap tube relies on a minimum pressure differential to operate properly. If you over cool the high side gas (the generally incorrect term for this is over-condensing) then you don't have the pressure required on the high side to force the gas through the cap tube for it to evaporate and cause cooling on the low side. Thus no cooling occurs. |
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01-24-12, 09:18 PM | #4 |
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I just would like to thank you for this information!!!! I am in the middle of researching for making and designing my own super efficient fridge.
1 I plan to incorporate super insulating by making my own cabinet. 2 I plan on using the outside air to cool in the winter(i live in Canada so should be 4 to 5 months of free cooling ) 3 I plan on putting a small door in the regular door for access to milk and other commonly used items to help limit cold air escaping. and now thanks to this thread i plan on moving the hdc into the crawl space. if anybody has any other other suggestions i am open to anything crazy or not seeing as most of mine usually are |
01-25-12, 01:31 AM | #5 |
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Remember that if you move the coil to the outside, then your fridge will effectively be a heat pump that removes heat from the kitchen. In other words, the refrigerator may use less electricity, but the heating system will need more energy to make up for the heat that the house has lost.
During a heat wave in the summer this is OK, since your fridge will act as a small air conditioner for the kitchen, though at the cost of slightly increased electrical usage.
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01-25-12, 07:02 AM | #6 |
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In my kitchen heat travels around in circles; my electric stove, refridgerator and window air conditioner are all located in a corner within 6 ft. of each other. I've come home on hot summer days to find my wife cooking or roasting something in the oven, with the AC roaring away. The refridgerator is usually overstuffed, so it is open for extended searches. I can't seem to get her to understand the basic physics of this situation, I think she tunes me out.
I think that this problem is actually fairly representative of the generic attitude many people have- "I want a roast, and I'll just turn the air conditioner up, that's what it's for." They don't want to think past the obvious inefficiencies. Without dwelling on this too much, I would just like to say that it would be so nice, it would displace some frustration, if I knew that at least some of the "waste" heat from the AC and fridge was being recovered and used, either as water heater preheat, or maybe in the swimming pool 20 ft away! |
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Why fight physics when you can put it to work for you! In the pie chart at the top of the page, refrigeration and air conditioning power are greater than water heating power... AND then when you consider that the heat energy that is wasted by these units is going to be greater than the electrical energy in, because since the A/C is a heat pump and most likely has a 'waste energy' COP of 2 or better (ditto the refrigerator) ... your pre-heat should be substantial. If you're going to go to all this trouble, you will want to go for superior insulation for your water heater and your pre-heat tank. Don't neglect to insulate the bottom of the tanks, this is usually overlooked, as most people have the misconception that heat only rises. What is your plan of action for making this happen? -AC_Hacker
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My skill set is minimal when it comes to heat pumps- I am very competant with the theory and the control circuits, but struggle with the gas/plumbing side of the machines, I've never had any direct experience with them. The closest work experience I've had is burying the poly pipe for geo therm systems.
So, for the time being my plan is to suggest that maybe I offer to make dinner, and focus on cold cuts and salads! I have been given two relatively new window air conditioning units, that have stopped working for one reason or another. I tend to learn easier if I can be "hands on" with equipment, so I want to study them and see how they work, while I read up on them. It may take a while, but I am confident that I will be able to do something with them. By the way, I do enjoy your posts, there always seems to be something that "inspires" me! |
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I understand that convection ovens are more efficient for roasting. For home use, the price might never be worth ot on infrequent roasting duty. Quote:
If you want to fix or re-purpose the air conditioner, you will want to start with a working unit. Regards, -AC_Hacker
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The first machine is 5200 BTU, and I haven't had a chance to look too closely at it. The second machine is also 5200 BTU, and it seems to work, somewhat, just doesn't cool the air much.
I am not sure exactly what I'd like to do with them, I'm kind of thinking that as I get familiar with them an idea will form. I have to admit, I'm just fascinated with heat pumps. There is always some heat available, somewhere, and there is always some place we can move it to. |
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