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Solar · 02-23-12, 11:02 AM

check out this picture I just found of the newest denier blogger that Rush Limbaugh was caught quoting

roflwaffle · 02-23-12, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xringer

I'm not sure I understand your point here.. My point was that we are rapidly running out of money.
This week, our regime is busy buying votes, so they can stay in power.
If they are successful, the effects on the worth of the dollar will be drastic.
Within a year or two, we will be rioting in the streets..

It's going to look like this, but bigger.. Much bigger..

Greece Police Photos 1

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."

I'm pretty sure that China isn't going to keep loaning us money forever.

Regarding the picture, I have no problems with homosexual rights. I think all those men should be free to express themselves however they like.

In terms of China/Debt, they are at this point selling, not buying, U.S. debt. That said, only one out of fifteen dollars of debt is even held by the Chinese, and only about one out of five dollars of U.S. debt is held by a foreign government. Everything else is owned by private individuals and other parts of the government.

Solar · 02-23-12, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roflwaffle

Regarding the picture, I have no problems with homosexual rights. I think all those men should be free to express themselves however they like.

In terms of China/Debt, they are at this point selling, not buying, U.S. debt. That said, only one out of fifteen dollars of debt is even held by the Chinese, and only about one out of five dollars of U.S. debt is held by a foreign government. Everything else is owned by private individuals and other parts of the government.

Hey! stop posting the truth, you might offend people that like to make things up!

Xringer · 02-23-12, 06:03 PM

Japan is a bit higher on that chart than China this month.
Those two have historically been the big international buyers.
It looks like China is holding about 1.5 trillion on average, this past year. With Japan just under a trillion.

If either one of them decides they no longer want to take our paper, then we are going to be in real trouble..

Have to resort to robbing the rich..?

Today, I heard that if we took ALL of Bill Gate's holdings, it would pay the interest on the debt for two (2) whole days.

If we took Oprah Winfrey's cash (and sold off her holdings for the cash),
that would pay the interest for what?? 90 minutes of debt accumulation??

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

We have to face facts, right now is not the time to be investing in schemes
that won't help with our current problems..

Xringer · 02-23-12, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Solar

check out this picture I just found of the newest denier blogger that Rush Limbaugh was caught quoting

http://funnyphotosto.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/22/Crying-252BBaby-252BNatural-252BHigh-252Bfor-252BSome-252BMoms.jpg[/IMG]

Did you hear Rush today?? I wanted to listen, but had to work today.
And, I'm going to miss AM radio tomorrow too. Retirement shouldn't be like this!

I wanted to hear his reaction to the debates last night..
Guess I'll have to watch Fox News news tonight. Get the biased pundits viewpoint..

Solar · 02-23-12, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xringer

Did you hear Rush today?? I wanted to listen, but had to work today.
And, I'm going to miss AM radio tomorrow too. Retirement shouldn't be like this!

I wanted to hear his reaction to the debates last night..
Guess I'll have to watch Fox News news tonight. Get the biased pundits viewpoint..

NO, I can't listen to that pompous liar for more than 5 seconds.

Xringer · 02-23-12, 09:58 PM

If you don't listen to him, how do you know so much about him??

Oh, I get it.. You've been reading his books.. How are they? Entertaining?

Amazon.com: RUSH LIMBAUGH BOOKS
Wow, El Rushbo has been busy!!

Xringer · 02-23-12, 10:34 PM

Shrinking Sky! Cloud Tops Dropping Closer to Earth, NASA Satellite Finds | Atmospheric Science & Climate Change | Cloud Formation & Height | LiveScience

"
The time frame is short, but if future observations show that clouds are truly getting lower, it could have an important effect on global climate change. Clouds that are lower in the atmosphere would allow Earth to cool more efficiently, potentially offsetting some of the warming caused by greenhouse gases.

"We don't know exactly what causes the cloud heights to lower," study researcher Roger Davies of the University of Auckland in New Zealand said in a statement. "But it must be due to a change in the circulation patterns that give rise to cloud formation at high altitude."
"

I wonder if lower cloud heights lately, were caused by the lower sunspot counts?
Since both these phenomena seems to trigger global cooling...

I saw this comment online..

It’s important to destinguish between CR’s (which you mention above) and GCR’s (i.e. energy levels), and remember that Svensmarks hypothesis involves muon’s – which are the main source of ionization in the atmosphere at the low cloud heights that he’s interested in. Counts of cosmic-ray muons at low altitudes were historically low when record keeping stopped in the early 90′s.

Svensmark also apparently gets a pretty good fit over the last 20 odd years when he plots Huancayo/Haleakala Neutron data (as a proxy for muon’s), against tropospheric air temperature (HadAT2), or ocean sub-surface water temperature (SODA).

There are also plenty of proxies for solar variability which show that solar activity has remained high throughout the 20th century. Usoskin seems pretty clear about this in Fig 4. from this paper showing Be10 abundance:
http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/2002ja009343.pdf

The above is from a discussion regarding the CERN CLOUD results..
CERN experiment confirms cosmic ray action « Calder's Updates

AlanE · 02-23-12, 10:54 PM

The pink elephant in the room that no one is mentioning is that if "climate science" was an actual science, then climate models would have predicted this 20 years ago.

Knowing how individual geophysical processes work in isolation tells us nothing about the feedback systems in place between all the processes which comprise climate.

Solar · 02-23-12, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanE

The pink elephant in the room that no one is mentioning is that if "climate science" was an actual science, then climate models would have predicted this 20 years ago.

Knowing how individual geophysical processes work in isolation tells us nothing about the feedback systems in place between all the processes which comprise climate.

the only reason you have deniers says climate science isnt real science is because of their lack of understand of the topic, these people can't even figure out what REAL DATA is let alone what REAL science is.

the proof is in the pudding, theenvironmentalsite.org tanguerra always words it well, or check climate denial crock of the week for an unlimited list of the things denier crazies and republican tyrants wants you to believe that aren't true, and why

greenman3610's Channel - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQHqg...el_video_title

ahh the impending ice age!! im soo scarrreeddd

02-23-12, 11:02 AM	#81
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02-23-12, 06:03 PM	#84
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Japan is a bit higher on that chart than China this month. Those two have historically been the big international buyers. It looks like China is holding about 1.5 trillion on average, this past year. With Japan just under a trillion. If either one of them decides they no longer want to take our paper, then we are going to be in real trouble.. Have to resort to robbing the rich..? Today, I heard that if we took ALL of Bill Gate's holdings, it would pay the interest on the debt for two (2) whole days. If we took Oprah Winfrey's cash (and sold off her holdings for the cash), that would pay the interest for what?? 90 minutes of debt accumulation?? U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time We have to face facts, right now is not the time to be investing in schemes that won't help with our current problems.. __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less.. Last edited by Xringer; 02-23-12 at 06:06 PM..

02-23-12, 09:58 PM	#87
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	If you don't listen to him, how do you know so much about him?? Oh, I get it.. You've been reading his books.. How are they? Entertaining? Amazon.com: RUSH LIMBAUGH BOOKS Wow, El Rushbo has been busy!! __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

02-23-12, 10:34 PM	#88
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Shrinking Sky! Cloud Tops Dropping Closer to Earth, NASA Satellite Finds \| Atmospheric Science & Climate Change \| Cloud Formation & Height \| LiveScience " The time frame is short, but if future observations show that clouds are truly getting lower, it could have an important effect on global climate change. Clouds that are lower in the atmosphere would allow Earth to cool more efficiently, potentially offsetting some of the warming caused by greenhouse gases. "We don't know exactly what causes the cloud heights to lower," study researcher Roger Davies of the University of Auckland in New Zealand said in a statement. "But it must be due to a change in the circulation patterns that give rise to cloud formation at high altitude." " I wonder if lower cloud heights lately, were caused by the lower sunspot counts? Since both these phenomena seems to trigger global cooling... I saw this comment online.. It’s important to destinguish between CR’s (which you mention above) and GCR’s (i.e. energy levels), and remember that Svensmarks hypothesis involves muon’s – which are the main source of ionization in the atmosphere at the low cloud heights that he’s interested in. Counts of cosmic-ray muons at low altitudes were historically low when record keeping stopped in the early 90′s. Svensmark also apparently gets a pretty good fit over the last 20 odd years when he plots Huancayo/Haleakala Neutron data (as a proxy for muon’s), against tropospheric air temperature (HadAT2), or ocean sub-surface water temperature (SODA). There are also plenty of proxies for solar variability which show that solar activity has remained high throughout the 20th century. Usoskin seems pretty clear about this in Fig 4. from this paper showing Be10 abundance: http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/2002ja009343.pdf The above is from a discussion regarding the CERN CLOUD results.. CERN experiment confirms cosmic ray action « Calder's Updates __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

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02-23-12, 10:54 PM	#89
AlanE Helper EcoRenovator Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 91 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	The pink elephant in the room that no one is mentioning is that if "climate science" was an actual science, then climate models would have predicted this 20 years ago. Knowing how individual geophysical processes work in isolation tells us nothing about the feedback systems in place between all the processes which comprise climate.