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Xringer · 04-13-12, 08:23 PM

"98% of working climate scientists"

I wonder, what companies do these climate scientists work for?

It seems logical that Itel, AMD, GM or Ford wouldn't be hiring many of them.
Kinda seems like the government would be paying them (via grants or directly).
Maybe a couple work at the Weather Channel.?.

I wonder if most American climate scientists live mostly off the taxes.?. (paid by me and you).

It seems like there might be a lot of rich people with a vested interest in maintaining their supply of GW research money..

roflwaffle · 04-15-12, 01:07 PM

Well, only the public ones in MA in your case, or the public ones in CA in my case. Public education is funded on a state by state basis. I don't think the results would be very different if you restricted the survey to only climate scientists at private universities.

In terms of money there's a huge gap. The average researcher at Harvard, a very wealthy university, makes ~$50k/year according to a quick search, but lets double that an assume they all make $100k/year at all universities, even the ones that aren't Harvard. The paper indicating that there was broad consensus when it came to climate change surveyed 1,372 scientists. They would make about $150 million/year. BP, just one oil company, made $24 billion last year. Just one oil company made 160 times what all the climate scientists surveyed would likely make, on the high end. Fossil fuels are a trillion dollar business, so if you compared the profits made by fossil fuel companies to the salaries of climate scientists around the world I imagine you're looking at a situation where the FF companies make thousands or tens of thousands more than climate scientists do. If anything, it's the FF companies that have the large financial incentives.

Xringer · 04-15-12, 03:10 PM

I didn't ask how much is in anyone's pay check.

What I'm interested in is, Who is paying for those studies?
Are taxpayers paying for the majority of GW studies?

Now that government employees have become a privileged class with their excessive pay and benefits,
It's worrisome, when I see what looks like a new group of people added to the entitlement class.

Hey, they even have an entitlement class in Canada!

The rise of the entitlement class | Troy Media

roflwaffle · 04-15-12, 04:17 PM

You'll have to do a bit more research, but the result will reflect the percentage of studies done at public versus private universities.

Personally, I think it's crazy that what people view as entitlements now used to be common practice in both the private and public sector. I'm not referring to the issues over in Greece, but over here we have nothing even close. While other public benefits may have increased, US public benefits have pretty much stayed the same. Our biggest budgetary problems are excessive military spending and no system for personal care, which jacks up the price of health care a ton and contributes to unemployment.

The biggest difference over the past few decades has been that private employers have been paying less and providing fewer benefits, which goes into the pockets of the small group of people who excessively benefit from corporate profits. Income inequality in the US has been increasing since at least the late sixties.

Xringer · 10-14-12, 04:57 PM

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online

But, will they stop spending billions (or trillions?) trying to prevent warming?
Not likely. Since it could strike again at a moments notice!

Xringer · 10-20-12, 11:01 AM

http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/EngrCritiq...ience.v4.3.pdf

A scientist friend read this pdf and emailed me:

"Page 30 indicates the most significant info in my opinion, but few are aware of it!"

What do you guys think? Does he have a point?

AC_Hacker · 10-21-12, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xringer

"Page 30 indicates the most significant info in my opinion, but few are aware of it!"

What do you guys think? Does he have a point?

What is on page thirty that you think is important enough to post this message?

-AC

Xringer · 10-21-12, 08:03 AM

I just found the claim "Doubling the concentration (of CO2) now would have little effect on warming." interesting.

I wonder if it's really true?

AC_Hacker · 10-22-12, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xringer

I just found the claim "Doubling the concentration (of CO2) now would have little effect on warming." interesting.

I wonder if it's really true?

It's really not true.

-AC

Xringer · 10-22-12, 08:24 AM

I just Googled the question and had many hits. All of the pages I looked at were making
the case that increases of CO2 in the air, do not result in a proportional increase in earth's temperature.
Many people seem to think that more or less CO2 in the atmosphere would have a very muted effect on global warming.

It's a very interesting question. One that really needs to be answered.
I'll try to find some lab test results, like the CERN Cloud chamber findings.

04-13-12, 08:23 PM	#141
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	"98% of working climate scientists" I wonder, what companies do these climate scientists work for? It seems logical that Itel, AMD, GM or Ford wouldn't be hiring many of them. Kinda seems like the government would be paying them (via grants or directly). Maybe a couple work at the Weather Channel.?. I wonder if most American climate scientists live mostly off the taxes.?. (paid by me and you). It seems like there might be a lot of rich people with a vested interest in maintaining their supply of GW research money.. __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

04-15-12, 03:10 PM	#143
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	I didn't ask how much is in anyone's pay check. What I'm interested in is, Who is paying for those studies? Are taxpayers paying for the majority of GW studies? Now that government employees have become a privileged class with their excessive pay and benefits, It's worrisome, when I see what looks like a new group of people added to the entitlement class. Hey, they even have an entitlement class in Canada! The rise of the entitlement class \| Troy Media __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

10-14-12, 04:57 PM	#145
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Global warmed ended in the UK, 16 years ago.. Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it \| Mail Online But, will they stop spending billions (or trillions?) trying to prevent warming? Not likely. Since it could strike again at a moments notice! __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

10-20-12, 11:01 AM	#146
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Using the GW data.. http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/EngrCritiq...ience.v4.3.pdf A scientist friend read this pdf and emailed me: "Page 30 indicates the most significant info in my opinion, but few are aware of it!" What do you guys think? Does he have a point? __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

10-21-12, 08:03 AM	#148
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	I just found the claim "Doubling the concentration (of CO2) now would have little effect on warming." interesting. I wonder if it's really true? __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

04-15-12, 01:07 PM	#142
roflwaffle Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 116 Thanks: 29 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts	Well, only the public ones in MA in your case, or the public ones in CA in my case. Public education is funded on a state by state basis. I don't think the results would be very different if you restricted the survey to only climate scientists at private universities. In terms of money there's a huge gap. The average researcher at Harvard, a very wealthy university, makes ~$50k/year according to a quick search, but lets double that an assume they all make $100k/year at all universities, even the ones that aren't Harvard. The paper indicating that there was broad consensus when it came to climate change surveyed 1,372 scientists. They would make about $150 million/year. BP, just one oil company, made $24 billion last year. Just one oil company made 160 times what all the climate scientists surveyed would likely make, on the high end. Fossil fuels are a trillion dollar business, so if you compared the profits made by fossil fuel companies to the salaries of climate scientists around the world I imagine you're looking at a situation where the FF companies make thousands or tens of thousands more than climate scientists do. If anything, it's the FF companies that have the large financial incentives.

04-15-12, 04:17 PM	#144
roflwaffle Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 116 Thanks: 29 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts	You'll have to do a bit more research, but the result will reflect the percentage of studies done at public versus private universities. Personally, I think it's crazy that what people view as entitlements now used to be common practice in both the private and public sector. I'm not referring to the issues over in Greece, but over here we have nothing even close. While other public benefits may have increased, US public benefits have pretty much stayed the same. Our biggest budgetary problems are excessive military spending and no system for personal care, which jacks up the price of health care a ton and contributes to unemployment. The biggest difference over the past few decades has been that private employers have been paying less and providing fewer benefits, which goes into the pockets of the small group of people who excessively benefit from corporate profits. Income inequality in the US has been increasing since at least the late sixties.

10-22-12, 08:24 AM	#150
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	I just Googled the question and had many hits. All of the pages I looked at were making the case that increases of CO2 in the air, do not result in a proportional increase in earth's temperature. Many people seem to think that more or less CO2 in the atmosphere would have a very muted effect on global warming. It's a very interesting question. One that really needs to be answered. I'll try to find some lab test results, like the CERN Cloud chamber findings. __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..