Does anyone have how to translate this solar stuff

nokiasixteth · 02-19-17, 03:30 PM

http://www.mississippipower.com/pdf/rates/RENM.pdf

Connecting to the Grid | My Home | Mississippi Power | A Southern Company

I have looked into this . But to me it looks as if if i use x amount and produce x amount i have to produce more than i use to get any benifit

oil pan 4 · 02-19-17, 03:50 PM

Don't forget a lot of power companies are charging an additional 20 to 30 just to have the net meter needed for solar power.

nokiasixteth · 02-19-17, 05:46 PM

I am starting to think off grid in this area may be better than trying to do grid tie.

oil pan 4 · 02-19-17, 07:22 PM

How much money do you have to spend?
Do you have any related skill sets to solar install or power generation?

First thing you need to do is save as much power as possible. Get all gas appliances, if you already have them great. If not that could get spendy.
That reminds me I need to find a gas dryer.
Insulate the house as much as possible. If you want air conditioning you can pretty much forget about your current machine. Unless you just happened to replace it recently with a high efficiency inverter unit.
It is cheaper to save power rather than install more panels, more battery and a bigger/more inverter(s).
If you don't have natural gas consider solar water heating.

For me to go off grid I would need to cut current electrical use in half and go on about a $15,000 spending spree and that's me installing it my self, I have all the wire and probably all the connectors I would need (budget at least $1,000 for just wire and connectors ) and I already have backup generators (saving $3,000 to $4,000).

jeff5may · 02-20-17, 09:45 AM

Mississippi is a late comer to this game. As a result, they have some very twisted rules and rate schedules in place. The newer plans treat excess power and offset power differently than the old plans. The businessmen and lawyers have all the details clarified, classified, and inked out already. No matter what kind of customer you are or generation scheme you employ, they have it spelled out.

Mississippi gets a big fat F from these guys regarding their stance on solar:
https://solarpowerrocks.com/mississippi/

oil pan 4 · 02-20-17, 10:34 AM

Hey Jeff thanks for that link.
I was finely able to find what kind of inverter in need to meet NM grid tie requirements.
It's and Allen Bradley, which means it's expensive.
Typically if you have to ask how much their stuff costs, then chances are you can't afford it.
That means take your budget for a name brand inverter and at least double it for the prestige classes such as ABB.

pinballlooking · 02-20-17, 02:51 PM

I looked over the connection agreement. Enphase microinverter or just about any other inverter that meets UL Standard 1741 and IEEE 1547 will work

http://realgoods.com/downloads/dl/fi...english_na.pdf

https://enphase.com/sites/default/fi...Compliance.pdf

http://www.mississippipower.com/pdf/...-Agreement.pdf
Where are you getting your info?

This is very normal it our power company requires this also.

where2 · 02-20-17, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokiasixteth

I have looked into this . But to me it looks as if if i use x amount and produce x amount i have to produce more than i use to get any benefit

The Mississippi Power meter fee of $0.78 per day is what hurts the most!!! $23.73 for the courtesy of being attached to their grid!

I have two electric bills, 2000 miles apart. The bill for Florida is $7.87 per month meter fee. The my bill in Maine is $7.31 per month meter fee.

Using the solarpowerrocks grading scales, my states each only rate a "C".

The other kicker in the fine print of the Mississippi Power agreement was the clause "Upon acceptance of this agreement, Customer shall voluntarily transfer their renewable energy credits to the Company". Ok, maybe there's no market for those REC's today, but sooner or later they may become valuable.

I could compute what my equivalent bill would be with my 4.4kW PV array using their math, but it sure incentivizes the Tesla Powerwall strategy when Mississippi Power charges $0.01581 per kWh for using a Net Meter.

nokiasixteth · 02-21-17, 04:39 PM

Yeah . When i first seen it i was thinking that that was my federal credits that i would get for the 30 percent off tax credits

nokiasixteth · 02-21-17, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinballlooking

I looked over the connection agreement. Enphase microinverter or just about any other inverter that meets UL Standard 1741 and IEEE 1547 will work

http://realgoods.com/downloads/dl/fi...english_na.pdf

https://enphase.com/sites/default/fi...Compliance.pdf

http://www.mississippipower.com/pdf/...-Agreement.pdf
Where are you getting your info?

This is very normal it our power company requires this also.

I plan to go with emphase 210 or 250 micro inverters.

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nokiasixteth Journeyman EcoRenovator Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Earth Posts: 348 Thanks: 43 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts	Does anyone have how to translate this solar stuff http://www.mississippipower.com/pdf/rates/RENM.pdf Connecting to the Grid \| My Home \| Mississippi Power \| A Southern Company I have looked into this . But to me it looks as if if i use x amount and produce x amount i have to produce more than i use to get any benifit

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02-19-17, 03:50 PM	#2
oil pan 4 Land owner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NM Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 12 Thanked 127 Times in 107 Posts	Don't forget a lot of power companies are charging an additional 20 to 30 just to have the net meter needed for solar power.

02-19-17, 05:46 PM	#3
nokiasixteth Journeyman EcoRenovator Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Earth Posts: 348 Thanks: 43 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts	I am starting to think off grid in this area may be better than trying to do grid tie.

02-19-17, 07:22 PM	#4
oil pan 4 Land owner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NM Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 12 Thanked 127 Times in 107 Posts	How much money do you have to spend? Do you have any related skill sets to solar install or power generation? First thing you need to do is save as much power as possible. Get all gas appliances, if you already have them great. If not that could get spendy. That reminds me I need to find a gas dryer. Insulate the house as much as possible. If you want air conditioning you can pretty much forget about your current machine. Unless you just happened to replace it recently with a high efficiency inverter unit. It is cheaper to save power rather than install more panels, more battery and a bigger/more inverter(s). If you don't have natural gas consider solar water heating. For me to go off grid I would need to cut current electrical use in half and go on about a $15,000 spending spree and that's me installing it my self, I have all the wire and probably all the connectors I would need (budget at least $1,000 for just wire and connectors ) and I already have backup generators (saving $3,000 to $4,000).

02-20-17, 09:45 AM	#5
jeff5may Supreme EcoRenovator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: elizabethtown, ky, USA Posts: 2,431 Thanks: 431 Thanked 619 Times in 517 Posts	Mississippi is a late comer to this game. As a result, they have some very twisted rules and rate schedules in place. The newer plans treat excess power and offset power differently than the old plans. The businessmen and lawyers have all the details clarified, classified, and inked out already. No matter what kind of customer you are or generation scheme you employ, they have it spelled out. Mississippi gets a big fat F from these guys regarding their stance on solar: https://solarpowerrocks.com/mississippi/

02-20-17, 10:34 AM	#6
oil pan 4 Land owner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NM Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 12 Thanked 127 Times in 107 Posts	Hey Jeff thanks for that link. I was finely able to find what kind of inverter in need to meet NM grid tie requirements. It's and Allen Bradley, which means it's expensive. Typically if you have to ask how much their stuff costs, then chances are you can't afford it. That means take your budget for a name brand inverter and at least double it for the prestige classes such as ABB.

02-21-17, 04:39 PM	#9
nokiasixteth Journeyman EcoRenovator Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Earth Posts: 348 Thanks: 43 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts	Yeah . When i first seen it i was thinking that that was my federal credits that i would get for the 30 percent off tax credits