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NeilBlanchard · 03-26-12, 02:40 PM

Global Warming: What We Knew in 82 - YouTube

Xringer · 03-27-12, 05:49 PM

Sure sounds like a little bit too much CO2 causes an inescapable feedback loop.
It's got amplification, and once it starts, that's all she wrote. Our geese are cooked.

Might as well party like it's 1999..

That seems to be the goal of the newest generation..

Survey: Young People Aren’t Concerned About Global Warming. | hauntingthelibrary

"Rather than spending their youth in a nail-biting depression over their immanent doom,
it seems young people are choosing to enjoy their lives. Good for them.
As I’ve argued elsewhere, if global warming is such a huge threat to humanity,
why aren’t the greens demanding that we build hundreds of
nuclear power stations right now to really bring down Co2 emissions?
Could it be that it’s because this is about politics, and not science?"

That's a pretty easy question to answer. The Greens, fear nuclear power
much more than they fear the certain death by global warming.

If the CO2 computer models are wrong, and the feedback increases by
more than expected, causing more amplification, triggering increased feedback,
we could all be dead by the end of the summer...

NeilBlanchard · 03-29-12, 02:43 PM

Yes, there is a tipping point, and there are lots of feedback loops, and the rate we are changing the carbon dioxide is so quick that we do not not know how much "momentum" there is in the system.

That is precisely why we should all be very concerned, and we all should be working to change our energy use and we all need to learn how to live within a much smaller carbon footprint.

There is lots of carbon free or low carbon energy sources. We are smart, and we are resourceful and we can adapt. But we can only change ourselves, so if our food sources or our water source stop working well enough for our needs, then we have an even bigger problem.

Xringer · 03-29-12, 04:00 PM

Global warming close to becoming irreversible: scientists | Reuters

"The world is close to reaching tipping points that will make it irreversibly hotter,
making this decade critical in efforts to contain global warming, scientists warned on Monday."

Since bad government policies and crazy spending of taxpayers money,
is making it more and more difficult for many people just to keep a roof over their heads,
It's a toss up, we might never have an economic recovery, or it might start in 2013.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure that our tax dollars are going to be used to
keep us afloat for as long as possible.
(Keeping hospitals, fire stations, power plants & Etc. up and running).

Bottom line, when things are bad and getting worse, no one is going
to be concerned about things like GW tipping points.

Nothing effective is going to be done during the next 10 to 20 years..

So, if the computer models are a little off, it might already be too late..

NeilBlanchard · 03-29-12, 07:55 PM

Yes, it it going to be close. I've heard that 2018 is the latest that serious efforts to reduce our carbon emissions can start and still hopefully avoid the worst effects.

We are likely to get a "Pearl Harbor event" and this can have a galvanizing affect.

If we withdraw from Afghanistan and if we stopped giving incentives to oil and coal use and if we stop mining tar sand bitumen, that would be a start. This is not necessarily a money-driven solution. We need to grow food more locally, and we need to stop using so much coal and oil.

Renewable energy is where we need to go quickly. This natural gas boom is only going to last 20 or so years.

Xringer · 03-30-12, 09:53 AM

If the GW theories are right, the false Spring we just experienced could very well be the last warning sign we will get.

But, things might work out. The socialist (nanny-state) policies of countries around the world are starting to fail.
That could be a good thing for the environment!

If the US maintains it's current course down the same slippery slope,
we could see a massive reversal in our use of fossil fuels.

When our life support systems are gone, (interstate trucking etc) pollution will drop like a rock.
When our power grid goes off-line, there would be some minor wood burning for a while, but oil & coal would not be used.
It would all be gone in a matter of months.

Of course, China would still be burning coal and oil.. But it would be at
a much lower rate. Without the world's demand for their products,
they would be in survival mode. Using only what they needed.
Most of their manufacturing would stop.

Hopefully, they will be able to continue to develop LFTRs, that would
allow them to wean off oil and coal completely.
(liquid fluoride thorium reactor)

It's too bad that we have a small segment of our population holding us back from getting into LFTRs.
I wonder about the real motive anti-nuke (anti-future for humans) folks.
Do they really want to go back to life as it was in the 1600s.?.

Xringer · 04-13-12, 07:48 AM

More non-believers??

"We believe the claims by NASA and GISS [NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies], that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data," the group wrote. "With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled."

NASA Global Warming Stance Blasted By 49 Astronauts, Scientists Who Once Worked At Agency

AC_Hacker · 04-13-12, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xringer

More non-believers??

Might as well quote the rest of the post you pulled the text from...

Quote:

“NASA sponsors research into many areas of cutting-edge scientific inquiry, including the relationship between carbon dioxide and climate," the agency's chief scientist, Dr. Waleed Abdalati, told The Huffington Post in an email. "As an agency, NASA does not draw conclusions and issue 'claims' about research findings. We support open scientific inquiry and discussion...If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse.”

Editor's note: We believe it's newsworthy when 49 former NASA scientists and astronauts pen a letter to the agency -- or to anyone -- about climate change. But what really raised temperatures is when we asked our readers to weigh in. We've removed the question because HuffPost is not agnostic on the matter. Along with the overwhelming majority of the scientific community (including 98% of working climate scientists), we recognize that climate change is real and agree with the agencies and experts who are concerned about the role of carbon dioxide.

-AC

NeilBlanchard · 04-13-12, 09:09 AM

The Guardian: Attacks on climate science by former NASA staff shouldn't be taken seriously

You Have Just Experienced the Hottest US Winter on Record : TreeHugger

Hey Deniers. Corn Called. CO2 Not all That Good for Plants. « Climate Denial Crock of the Week

Heartland’s Truth-Challenged Harrison Schmitt Trolls NASA Nursing Home for New “List of Scientists” « Climate Denial Crock of the Week

Show this to a Denier and Stand Back: Margaret Thatcher on Climate Change will Explode Heads « Climate Denial Crock of the Week

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/...de-adjustment/

Xringer · 04-13-12, 07:56 PM

Did you see the discussion under the posting at UCSD?
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/...de-adjustment/

Just scanning a little bit, I got the feeling many of those guys think
the only solution to all our our problems is to reduce the population.

What makes that idea interesting, is the fact we might be seeing a large
population reduction, no matter what steps we take now.

The Road Warrior World scenario, could happen because of socialism.
People can be convinced to vote for an unsustainable nanny state.
Not realizing their life time free lunches can't last forever,
they will bring down the government. (Free stuff demand outruns supply)
Followed by the end of all commerce.
Very closely followed by millions of starving people.

Heck, even old folks like me could live to see it..

03-27-12, 05:49 PM	#132
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Sure sounds like a little bit too much CO2 causes an inescapable feedback loop. It's got amplification, and once it starts, that's all she wrote. Our geese are cooked. Might as well party like it's 1999.. That seems to be the goal of the newest generation.. Survey: Young People Aren’t Concerned About Global Warming. \| hauntingthelibrary "Rather than spending their youth in a nail-biting depression over their immanent doom, it seems young people are choosing to enjoy their lives. Good for them. As I’ve argued elsewhere, if global warming is such a huge threat to humanity, why aren’t the greens demanding that we build hundreds of nuclear power stations right now to really bring down Co2 emissions? Could it be that it’s because this is about politics, and not science?" That's a pretty easy question to answer. The Greens, fear nuclear power much more than they fear the certain death by global warming. If the CO2 computer models are wrong, and the feedback increases by more than expected, causing more amplification, triggering increased feedback, we could all be dead by the end of the summer... __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

03-29-12, 04:00 PM	#134
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Global warming close to becoming irreversible: scientists \| Reuters "The world is close to reaching tipping points that will make it irreversibly hotter, making this decade critical in efforts to contain global warming, scientists warned on Monday." Since bad government policies and crazy spending of taxpayers money, is making it more and more difficult for many people just to keep a roof over their heads, It's a toss up, we might never have an economic recovery, or it might start in 2013. Regardless, I'm pretty sure that our tax dollars are going to be used to keep us afloat for as long as possible. (Keeping hospitals, fire stations, power plants & Etc. up and running). Bottom line, when things are bad and getting worse, no one is going to be concerned about things like GW tipping points. Nothing effective is going to be done during the next 10 to 20 years.. So, if the computer models are a little off, it might already be too late.. __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

03-29-12, 07:55 PM	#135
NeilBlanchard Journeyman EcoRenovator Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth Posts: 383 Thanks: 78 Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts	the sooner the better... Yes, it it going to be close. I've heard that 2018 is the latest that serious efforts to reduce our carbon emissions can start and still hopefully avoid the worst effects. We are likely to get a "Pearl Harbor event" and this can have a galvanizing affect. If we withdraw from Afghanistan and if we stopped giving incentives to oil and coal use and if we stop mining tar sand bitumen, that would be a start. This is not necessarily a money-driven solution. We need to grow food more locally, and we need to stop using so much coal and oil. Renewable energy is where we need to go quickly. This natural gas boom is only going to last 20 or so years.

03-30-12, 09:53 AM	#136
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	If the GW theories are right, the false Spring we just experienced could very well be the last warning sign we will get. But, things might work out. The socialist (nanny-state) policies of countries around the world are starting to fail. That could be a good thing for the environment! If the US maintains it's current course down the same slippery slope, we could see a massive reversal in our use of fossil fuels. When our life support systems are gone, (interstate trucking etc) pollution will drop like a rock. When our power grid goes off-line, there would be some minor wood burning for a while, but oil & coal would not be used. It would all be gone in a matter of months. Of course, China would still be burning coal and oil.. But it would be at a much lower rate. Without the world's demand for their products, they would be in survival mode. Using only what they needed. Most of their manufacturing would stop. Hopefully, they will be able to continue to develop LFTRs, that would allow them to wean off oil and coal completely. (liquid fluoride thorium reactor) It's too bad that we have a small segment of our population holding us back from getting into LFTRs. I wonder about the real motive anti-nuke (anti-future for humans) folks. Do they really want to go back to life as it was in the 1600s.?. __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

04-13-12, 07:48 AM	#137
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	the science is NOT settled??? More non-believers?? "We believe the claims by NASA and GISS [NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies], that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data," the group wrote. "With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled." NASA Global Warming Stance Blasted By 49 Astronauts, Scientists Who Once Worked At Agency __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

03-29-12, 02:43 PM	#133
NeilBlanchard Journeyman EcoRenovator Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth Posts: 383 Thanks: 78 Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts	Yes, there is a tipping point, and there are lots of feedback loops, and the rate we are changing the carbon dioxide is so quick that we do not not know how much "momentum" there is in the system. That is precisely why we should all be very concerned, and we all should be working to change our energy use and we all need to learn how to live within a much smaller carbon footprint. There is lots of carbon free or low carbon energy sources. We are smart, and we are resourceful and we can adapt. But we can only change ourselves, so if our food sources or our water source stop working well enough for our needs, then we have an even bigger problem.

04-13-12, 09:09 AM	#139
NeilBlanchard Journeyman EcoRenovator Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth Posts: 383 Thanks: 78 Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts	The Guardian: Attacks on climate science by former NASA staff shouldn't be taken seriously You Have Just Experienced the Hottest US Winter on Record : TreeHugger Hey Deniers. Corn Called. CO2 Not all That Good for Plants. « Climate Denial Crock of the Week Heartland’s Truth-Challenged Harrison Schmitt Trolls NASA Nursing Home for New “List of Scientists” « Climate Denial Crock of the Week Show this to a Denier and Stand Back: Margaret Thatcher on Climate Change will Explode Heads « Climate Denial Crock of the Week http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/...de-adjustment/ Last edited by NeilBlanchard; 04-13-12 at 09:39 AM..

04-13-12, 07:56 PM	#140
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Did you see the discussion under the posting at UCSD? http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/...de-adjustment/ Just scanning a little bit, I got the feeling many of those guys think the only solution to all our our problems is to reduce the population. What makes that idea interesting, is the fact we might be seeing a large population reduction, no matter what steps we take now. The Road Warrior World scenario, could happen because of socialism. People can be convinced to vote for an unsustainable nanny state. Not realizing their life time free lunches can't last forever, they will bring down the government. (Free stuff demand outruns supply) Followed by the end of all commerce. Very closely followed by millions of starving people. Heck, even old folks like me could live to see it.. __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..