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Old 07-10-12, 11:30 AM   #31
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Not quite true...

Those in the upper stratosphere of income pay much less than the rest of us.
True, AC, but those are the extreme outliers. They obviously don't play by the same rules as the rest of us, so we shouldn't expect them to pay at the same rates

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Old 07-10-12, 11:51 AM   #32
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True, AC, but those are the extreme outliers. They obviously don't play by the same rules as the rest of us, so we shouldn't expect them to pay at the same rates
Those people are evil !!
But, I've heard that some of them are moving to other countries, to avoid paying taxes..?.

Why give up your American citizenship if you aren't paying any taxes to begin with??

Not only are they evil, they seem to be really stupid too !!
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True, AC, but those are the extreme outliers. They obviously don't play by the same rules as the rest of us, so we shouldn't expect them to pay at the same rates
benpope,

I hope you are kidding here...

This is an extreme case, yes it is... and the people in question are extremely rich, and extremely powerful and not at all interested in any degree of fairness or equality or democracy.

Xringer keeps targeting the poor, but we all have much more in common with the poor than with the extremely rich.

I saw Noam Chomsky speak and one thing that stuck in my mind was, "...by far, the most politically astute demographic group in america is african-americans..."

At least they know who the real enemy is.

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I think its time to bring this thread back on topic, or let it die. Either would be a good alternative.
The The Billiards Room label does say, "Discuss what ever you wish."

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I hope you are kidding here...
Tongue firmly in cheek.
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Daox,

In my opinion, a thread like, "Conservation in the home is meaningless" may not be a thread that is worthy of much consideration... I mean it does declare that all efforts that have been made by almost all people who have contributed to this forum, are meaningless.

Now if the thread had taken the direction that our shared eco-plight is of the magnitude that the entire culture of post-subsistance civilization is in error and must be immediately revised downward if we are to have a chance at survival, it could be taken seriously... but it never rose to that level of clarity.

So, this may be one of those rare situations where hijacking a born dead thread actually was helpful.

I would not argue that there are some valuable, earnest and exceedingly useful threads in this forum, and they are certainly made much weaker by hi-jacking.

But hey, we are in the billards room, how much lower can we sink? Maybe we need a Basement?

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"Xringer keeps targeting the poor".. My next target will be women..
I'll call it my war on women. (Or did somebody already take that name)?



Anyways, back to my war on the poor.. (Those poor people really me the creeps)!

Massachusetts governor's welfare card restrictions would still allow purchases at nail salons and jewelry stores | Fox News

"The Democratic governor kept a provision banning EBT card purchases at places like liquor stores, cruise ships, casinos, firearms dealers and adult entertainment venues. But, Patrick shot down a measure banning the purchase of individual items, like tattoos and guns."

This seems a little strange to even be talking about the fraud in this program, when the Mass EBT cards are actually ATM cards..

Using the Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) Card - Health and Human Services - Mass.Gov

See: 'For a Cash Withdrawal at a Cash Machine (ATM)'


I guess the way Patrick sees it, for every EBT card he gives out is another vote, he's got locked up..

I don't think all the stories about expensive tattoos, or paying the bail of a schoolyard drug dealer is going to hurt Patrick at all..

Anyways, I don't blame those poor people for buying lobster or tats with their EBT card cash.

If I had not been raised in poverty, and didn't believe going on the dole
would have been better than working for low wages,
I might have turned out the same way. Just working the system.

I've known at least a few dozen people who just work the system.
They aren't really bad people. Maybe they're just weak people..?.
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I have no problem with the thread going off topic. I have found with my forum dealings that discussing politics rarely leads to any positive end. It always ends up dividing the community instead of bringing it together. I would rather avoid that as we're all here for the same reason, reducing our energy usage.
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I just realized that we all agree that conservation in the home isn't meaningless, but that talking about anything remotely related to politics is...

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One day when I was a boy, my grandmother took me to the park. As we walked around the pond I picked up a stone from the path to throw it into the water. My grandmother turned, stopped me and said, "Don't throw that stone into the water. If everyone threw a stone into the pond there wouldn't be a pond."

I am only one tiny stone. But tiny stones are important.

What I'm saying is that this point of view is an illusion. It gives people the impression they are doing something when they are not accomplishing a damn thing, unfortunately.

Has anyone noticed any progress because of all this home recycling? Nothing has changed and in fact things are worse.

The planet is dying because many are mislead into believing that a little recycling, a little conservation, by each person is enough.


I shouldn't have used the word "meaningless". Conservation is awesome as a way to save money and waste less. It's awesome.

But, as some movement? It's a scam to sell products people, wake up.

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