EcoRenovator  

Go Back   EcoRenovator > Off Topic > The Billiards Room
Advanced Search
 


Blog 60+ Home Energy Saving Tips Recent Posts Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-29-12, 02:56 PM   #21
Xringer
Lex Parsimoniae
 
Xringer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Woburn, MA
Posts: 4,918
Thanks: 114
Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts
Default

Is it the amount of money that companies earn is, makes them evil?
Is that how we should pick out those companies, that need to be punished?

I'm not against getting rid of those tax breaks. We should be able to run
the government an extra two or three hours a month, with that extra Oil tax revenue.

Yeah, they get tax breaks. I've also heard that many other big companies, also get tax breaks.


Are we going to make it a 'level playing field' and take away all tax breaks to American industry?



I'm almost sure that Apple Computer isn't going to go out of business without their tax breaks.. Just mark up the IPad by $50..
(Like the price at the pump would be marked up).

__________________
My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits
EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..
Xringer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-12, 07:59 PM   #22
NeilBlanchard
Journeyman EcoRenovator
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 383
Thanks: 78
Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts
Default

What makes them evil is that they are able to get away with chemically altering the atmosphere -- which is shifting a HUGE cost onto all the rest of us. The fact that they are now earning the largest profits *ever* and we are also *giving* them money is just crazy. They do not need $4 Billion dollars.

They need to account for *all* the real costs of burning oil.
NeilBlanchard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-12, 11:47 PM   #23
strider3700
Master EcoRenovator
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver Island BC
Posts: 745
Thanks: 23
Thanked 37 Times in 30 Posts
Default

their profits are so massive simply due to the size of their operations. On a pure margin basis oil companies aren't that spectacular. Also most of their tax breaks are identical to the ones offered to every other company in the US. They happen to get such large breaks once again due to their size.

IF they were spending a trillion dollars a year and only making 4 billion in profit they'd be considered economic failures. If the made 4 billion off of spending 1 billion they be the most popular investments out there. They're somewhere in between. Really apple makes far more profit based on it's expenses but people seem to love them for it.

I don't see them as needing to account for the atmospheric damage done by oil. The person burning that oil should pay for it. Passing the blame instead of taking personal responsibility is unfortunately the way things are done these days.

Last edited by strider3700; 03-29-12 at 11:49 PM..
strider3700 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-12, 04:36 AM   #24
NeilBlanchard
Journeyman EcoRenovator
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 383
Thanks: 78
Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts
Default

The climate change caused by burning fossil fuels is having an enormous effect on the entire planet. The real costs of burning fossil fuels needs to be born by the people who are profiting from it -- this is how "true markets" have to work. And that will be reflected in the money price we all pay, but it must be proportional to the incentive to pull the oil and coal out of the ground.

By the way, have you heard about the offshore gas drilling rig that has had a blowout and had to be abandoned?

Offshore Natural Gas Leak in Scotland -- Total Trying to Contain It
NeilBlanchard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-12, 08:59 AM   #25
Xringer
Lex Parsimoniae
 
Xringer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Woburn, MA
Posts: 4,918
Thanks: 114
Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard View Post
What makes them evil is that they are able to get away with chemically altering the atmosphere -- which is shifting a HUGE cost onto all the rest of us. The fact that they are now earning the largest profits *ever* and we are also *giving* them money is just crazy. They do not need $4 Billion dollars.

They need to account for *all* the real costs of burning oil.
We aren't giving them any money.. But, they (like Apple, IBM, Ford, GE, GM Etc)
Manufacture products! So, they get to keep some of the money they earn..
They get a tax break..
(Did I hear that GE paid Zero taxes last year)??

Some breaks are better than others. Apple gets a much bigger break than the oil companies..

How about we attack the top 40 on this list?? Tax the heck out of them!
Fortune 500 2011: Top Performers - Most Profitable Companies: Profits

But, just those that "manufacture" stuff (provide jobs) and leave the big banks & investors alone..?.

Yeah, because the US Gov knows all about business and how they can
make everything fair to those bottom 50% who pay all those taxes..
(Never mind, they don't pay taxes)..

The president submitted his budget yesterday.
The house wrote it up into a bill and sent it to the senate.
Guess how many Democrats Senators voted for it.?.

Zero, because none of them think it's a good idea to increase cost at the pump...
__________________
My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits
EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..
Xringer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-12, 12:55 PM   #26
NeilBlanchard
Journeyman EcoRenovator
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 383
Thanks: 78
Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts
Default

Some Senator "filibustered" the bill to cut $2B in subsidies to oil companies. And it did not pass.

Why? Because the five big oil companies have bought plenty of politicians, and even though almost everybody says they think we should cut the oil company subsidies ... we still are giving them billions of dollars.
NeilBlanchard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-12, 01:38 PM   #27
Xringer
Lex Parsimoniae
 
Xringer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Woburn, MA
Posts: 4,918
Thanks: 114
Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts
Default

Yeah, caught on tape.. Rep. Mick Mulvaney Offers President Obama's budget (Part 2) - YouTube
__________________
My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits
EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..
Xringer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-12, 11:18 PM   #28
Xringer
Lex Parsimoniae
 
Xringer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Woburn, MA
Posts: 4,918
Thanks: 114
Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts
Default What??

EDITORIAL: Abrupt climate-change reversal - Washington Times

Is the IPCC really saying this??

"is now concluding that the cause of these damaging storms has nothing to do with human activity."


This is the scary part..

"That damaging squalls are not anthropogenic surely will be unwelcome news to President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which imposes drastic restrictions on the nation in the hopes of changing the weather. The EPA’s website features an Extreme Events page, which reads: “Human-induced climate change has the potential to alter the prevalence and severity of extremes such as heat waves, cold waves, storms, floods and droughts.”

On the basis of that premise, EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson last week announced plans to place crushing restrictions on the nation’s coal-burning power plants, on which Americans depend to produce 45 percent of the nation’s electricity.
"


We had all better start saving our pennies for PV if Obama stays in office..
Because the price for Kw hours is going to shoot up like gasoline.
(Which is over $4 for regular in my town this Sunday)..
__________________
My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits
EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..
Xringer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-12, 05:35 AM   #29
NeilBlanchard
Journeyman EcoRenovator
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 383
Thanks: 78
Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts
Default

What does an editorial got to do with science?
NeilBlanchard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-12, 07:41 AM   #30
Xringer
Lex Parsimoniae
 
Xringer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Woburn, MA
Posts: 4,918
Thanks: 114
Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard View Post
What does an editorial got to do with science?
It's reporting the IPCC is starting to use actual "science"..


"The IPCC’s Special Report on Extremes, released March 28, reads, “There is medium evidence and high agreement that long-term trends in normalized [property] losses have not been attributed to natural or anthropogenic climate change.” The breathtaking admission is a sign that objective science is reclaiming a leading role in the discussion."



But, it seems that our EPA is choosing to ignore science. And going instead with political ideology.

__________________
My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits
EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..
Xringer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Ad Management by RedTyger
Inactive Reminders By Icora Web Design