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Old 04-25-17, 11:58 AM   #61
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The 2018 Nissan Leaf may give the Chevy Bolt a run for the $. The battery for the new Leaf will be about the same as the Bolt and the Leaf has a much nicer interior.

The 2018 model Leaf will also have autonomous driving capability. Both will be available nationwide this fall.

Anyone else looking also at the 2018 Leaf?

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Old 04-25-17, 12:05 PM   #62
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Chevy water cooled batteries have not lost range like the leafs have. That would be a big thing to look at. This may be a bigger deal in hot climates.
How many mile will the new leaf go?
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Old 04-25-17, 01:57 PM   #63
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Pinball,

You are correct that the older Leafs lost battery range due to incomplete battery cooling. The 2018 (and ? earlier) have added extra cooling according to what I have read.

Nissan's 60-kWh, 200-Mile Battery Pack: What We Know So Far


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This is what it said about cooling
"Air cooling. Nissan made the original Leaf battery pack completely air-cooled, and while there were some early, isolated issues in very hot climates like Arizona, those seem to be largely solved today. Liquid cooling isn’t being considered for an entirely new, larger-capacity battery—at least in this prototype form. Forced-air cooling isn’t likely either."

This is encouraging.
"Longer service life. Nissan has revised the electrode material and optimized the lithium electrolyte (it won’t say how in either case), with the net effect being less of a performance drop over years and hundreds of charge cycles. Suppressed lithium corrosion will help durability, too. One of several charts we saw but were instructed not to publish, if to scale, suggested that instead of a standard capacity degradation to 80 percent after five years, it now might be 90 percent."

It is great to see another 200 mile + EV hit the market.
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Less cooling will be needed with a larger battery pack as you're not stressing the batteries with as high of C dis/charge rates because it has the extra capacity.
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Less cooling will be needed with a larger battery pack as you're not stressing the batteries with as high of C dis/charge rates because it has the extra capacity.
But that will also limit it's charge rate. The one thing I am disappointed with the Bolt is that it really can't do a fast charge like the Tesla, and that basically limits it to being a city commuter car, and not something that can really be used for road trips. Tesla made road trips possible, even if they were a bit less convenient.
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They have a DC fast charge option 90 miles in 30 minutes.
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Anyone else looking also at the 2018 Leaf?

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I'm excited to see how used ev prices drop in the next 5 years. If it goes like it did with the previous gen, we may become a 2-Leaf household around 2020. My order of preference is:

3. Leaf
2. Bolt (better thermal management, nominally American company)
1. Model 3 (badass design, truly American company)

I bet the Teslas will hold their value very well, so we'll probably end up with another Leaf.
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I'm disappointed with GM's attempt. The Chevy Bolt may travel 230 miles per charge, but that maybe a little impractical without a quick charge option. The chamdemo's (public fast charge) charge stations are still a little far and between. Yes charging at home is fabulous but what if you want to travel to grandma's house this weekend 450 miles away. Are you willing to wait at a public charge station for 6 hrs.? Rapid charging is a necessity. GM kinda washed their hands and neglected, and decided to leave that job to someone else. After all they didn't build gas stations to fuel their ICE vehicles. The range anxiety was always an issue for electric vehicles. This omission to a quick charge infrastructure isn't helping their customers adoption to their new products.

The Tesla model 3 will be able to take advantage of the massive supercharge network at a very competitive price.

I cannot believe GM has left that in the air for their customers. Elon has an open invitation to the supercharge network as long as the manufacturer would help fund the infrastructure. Not a bad deal.!!

Working on the Chevy S-10 EV (The brother to the famous EV-1 that was crushed) having the same drive train. WHAT A WORK OF ART!!! 20 yrs ahead!!! and crushed it??? The inverter and supporting controls pure art work. All the efforts GM took to make the vehicle efficient. Speed controls on fan & pump motors to save energy, very nice design.

GM claimed in 1997 there was no demand for Electric vehicles. Tesla has sold a years production of the Model 3 with not a vehicle to hand the keys over until they made it more than a year later. Unprecedented

Love them or hate them Tesla has covered the bases. You can travel with these cars with no restraints.

Come on big 3. bring on your A game!!

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But that will also limit it's charge rate. The one thing I am disappointed with the Bolt is that it really can't do a fast charge like the Tesla, and that basically limits it to being a city commuter car, and not something that can really be used for road trips. Tesla made road trips possible, even if they were a bit less convenient.
Bolt does not have a DC Fast Charge port ?

Of course , for me , they are nonexistent in our area . But still ..........

Our late Leaf had one .

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