Warming & Insulating Brian's Kitchen - Page 2

insaneintenti0n · 10-24-08, 05:53 AM

YAY i'm done!!!!
OMG, i'm exhausted.

No pictures, mainly cause it all looks the same, just much darker since i blocked out all the holes.

I really need to get my kitchen up to more than 60 degrees before i really have a good test to see how things are. but that hasn't happened in a while.

Daox · 10-24-08, 06:13 AM

Awesome! I'm very interested to see how well this works.

insaneintenti0n · 10-31-08, 06:38 AM

floor's still cold, surprise surprise. but, might be taking longer to cool down after it finally warms (WHEN it finally warms)

anyway, yesterday's project was to attached the heat dish that i wanted to the wall in my kitchen. i had some initial obstacles, and i still have another to overcome.

Here's the heat dish

they're awesome, used correctly. Sitting on the ground, pointing at you. They're 1000W (instead of the 1500W that most space heaters are) and since it's a directed heat, you warm up FAST (not the room so quickly, but it does over time)

They have a built in safefy buzzer. If they get tipped, they go BZZZZZZZZZ. all it is is a button that is pressed when it lays flat. figured that would be no biggy. if it's pushed against the wall it should be fine. well, it is, for the most part, but something about it facing down sets the buzzer off after a certain period of time. so, i eliminated the buzzer.

(Crappy phone pix)

but i just changed the wiring some to take the safety crap out of the system (smart, right?)

this image shows the heater pointed down towards the COLD floor, and you can kind of see the difference in the ceiling heights between that and the ceiling fan

I finally measured the ceilings. 10ft max (it slants, starts around 8', then goes up to 10') in the extension, 8.5ft in the main part.

But, now i have another problem. since heat rises, it's triggering the thermostat VERY fast. For the most part i use these as either On of Off. not medium, low, whatever. So, i might now also bypass the heat monitor (looks to be a piece of ceramic, silicon, or something, that i guess changes resistance as it heats and cools. Not sure what happens if i take that out of the system. I might find out though

Though, of course, I could just buy a radiant heater that's made FOR this (Like this one) but that's $100 - $200, and 1200W - 1500W vs. $60 and 1000W.

Daox · 10-31-08, 09:48 AM

Now that I'm thinking about it, it doesn't seems surprising that the floor is cold. With the heated floors in my house (also covered in ceramic tile), you can even tell a huge difference between the heated and unheated section. The heated section doesn't really feel real warm, but the unheated section does feel cold. If you put one hand on one section and another on the other, you can really tell the difference.

insaneintenti0n · 10-31-08, 10:11 AM

yup. real tile sucks. lol.

at least for the most part that section of the kitchen should be airtight with all the other work i did. funny enough, this year, my main floor is WAY warmer than my top floor with using the house heat. that was the opposite last year. so i did something right, or something wrong. might re-bleed the 2nd floor radiators just to make sure, but they were all warm this morning.

insaneintenti0n · 10-31-08, 06:15 PM

and, another toy to play w/. I HAVE to stop collecting heaters.

Oscillating option, 400w or 800w, $25 at harbor freight.
This vs. The costco one, $60, 1000w, no oscillation.

One of em is going back to the store.
Right now I have 3 heating dishes, 2 oil filed radiators, and a blower space heater.

Daox · 10-31-08, 06:24 PM

Haha, nice collection. Now, you need one that attaches to a belt and you can wear it so you'll be warm all the time!

Daox · 11-18-08, 01:40 PM

How is the new setup working out?

toyobug · 11-19-08, 09:57 AM

do those "space heaters" work well

insaneintenti0n · 11-20-08, 05:08 PM

those space heaters are AWESSSSSSSOME.

the floor. not so much. it's still cold. there's no hope. I could do radiant floors, but i can't see that being nice on my gas/elec bill.

i just rewired the kitchen heater again today. took out the thermostat control. it kept kicking itself off. now, that doesn't happen. yay. but i gotta keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't cook itself.

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Daox Administrator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Germantown, WI Posts: 5,525 Thanks: 1,162 Thanked 374 Times in 305 Posts	Now that I'm thinking about it, it doesn't seems surprising that the floor is cold. With the heated floors in my house (also covered in ceramic tile), you can even tell a huge difference between the heated and unheated section. The heated section doesn't really feel real warm, but the unheated section does feel cold. If you put one hand on one section and another on the other, you can really tell the difference. __________________ Current project - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. & To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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10-24-08, 05:53 AM	#11
insaneintenti0n Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 183 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	YAY i'm done!!!! OMG, i'm exhausted. No pictures, mainly cause it all looks the same, just much darker since i blocked out all the holes. I really need to get my kitchen up to more than 60 degrees before i really have a good test to see how things are. but that hasn't happened in a while.

10-31-08, 06:38 AM	#13
insaneintenti0n Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 183 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	floor's still cold, surprise surprise. but, might be taking longer to cool down after it finally warms (WHEN it finally warms) anyway, yesterday's project was to attached the heat dish that i wanted to the wall in my kitchen. i had some initial obstacles, and i still have another to overcome. Here's the heat dish they're awesome, used correctly. Sitting on the ground, pointing at you. They're 1000W (instead of the 1500W that most space heaters are) and since it's a directed heat, you warm up FAST (not the room so quickly, but it does over time) They have a built in safefy buzzer. If they get tipped, they go BZZZZZZZZZ. all it is is a button that is pressed when it lays flat. figured that would be no biggy. if it's pushed against the wall it should be fine. well, it is, for the most part, but something about it facing down sets the buzzer off after a certain period of time. so, i eliminated the buzzer. (Crappy phone pix) but i just changed the wiring some to take the safety crap out of the system (smart, right?) this image shows the heater pointed down towards the COLD floor, and you can kind of see the difference in the ceiling heights between that and the ceiling fan I finally measured the ceilings. 10ft max (it slants, starts around 8', then goes up to 10') in the extension, 8.5ft in the main part. But, now i have another problem. since heat rises, it's triggering the thermostat VERY fast. For the most part i use these as either On of Off. not medium, low, whatever. So, i might now also bypass the heat monitor (looks to be a piece of ceramic, silicon, or something, that i guess changes resistance as it heats and cools. Not sure what happens if i take that out of the system. I might find out though Though, of course, I could just buy a radiant heater that's made FOR this (Like this one) but that's $100 - $200, and 1200W - 1500W vs. $60 and 1000W.

10-31-08, 10:11 AM	#15
insaneintenti0n Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 183 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	yup. real tile sucks. lol. at least for the most part that section of the kitchen should be airtight with all the other work i did. funny enough, this year, my main floor is WAY warmer than my top floor with using the house heat. that was the opposite last year. so i did something right, or something wrong. might re-bleed the 2nd floor radiators just to make sure, but they were all warm this morning.

10-31-08, 06:15 PM	#16
insaneintenti0n Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 183 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	and, another toy to play w/. I HAVE to stop collecting heaters. Oscillating option, 400w or 800w, $25 at harbor freight. This vs. The costco one, $60, 1000w, no oscillation. One of em is going back to the store. Right now I have 3 heating dishes, 2 oil filed radiators, and a blower space heater.

11-19-08, 09:57 AM	#19
toyobug avid DIY'r Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MS. Gulf Coast Posts: 154 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	do those "space heaters" work well

11-20-08, 05:08 PM	#20
insaneintenti0n Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 183 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	those space heaters are AWESSSSSSSOME. the floor. not so much. it's still cold. there's no hope. I could do radiant floors, but i can't see that being nice on my gas/elec bill. i just rewired the kitchen heater again today. took out the thermostat control. it kept kicking itself off. now, that doesn't happen. yay. but i gotta keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't cook itself.