Motion sensors

ownerbuilder2012 · 09-20-12, 09:10 PM

Hi everyone,

I have a question, is it energy efficient to use Motion sensors in rooms to detect if anyone is using it, and if not automatically turns off every electrical equipment.

Come to think of it the motion sensors also consume energy for it to run?

Would love to hear your thoughts on this one.

Higgy · 09-21-12, 09:04 AM

Good question. I could see doing that with lights, but not a tv. That would just bug me after a while to have to turn the tv back on every time I got up to pee or go for a snack. Actually it would bug me to have to turn the light back on as well.

Maybe if you could set the sensor to turn things off after a certain period of time.

I don't know, the more I think about it the more I think that it's useless unless you were to just put it into a bathroom or something for people who forget to turn the light off. It would also have to be more of a heat sensor then motion though. How often do you move while watching TV, or reading a book.

Daox · 09-21-12, 09:43 AM

Its energy efficient if you are lazy (or just not paying any attention to energy usage, example: kids) and don't turn off the lights yourself. If you remember to turn things off when you leave a room then its not going to save you anything.

Xringer · 09-21-12, 12:08 PM

I don't think sensors would help very much for lighting, unless the lights were also controlled by a smart computer program.

Just using Off-the-shelf units will turn on the lights for a set minimum time cycle,
each time someone was in the room, even if it was only for a few seconds.

The other big problem I have with my automatic lights, if I'm not constantly moving around,
they go off, normally at the worst possible moment.

Daox · 09-21-12, 12:16 PM

You would need what they call occupancy sensors. They use motion, sound, and some even use more to detect if someone is in the room.

Ryland · 09-21-12, 05:42 PM

I have two motion sensors in my house, they are the common ones that every big box store sells.
I have one in my garage so when I open up the door and walk in with my bike the light turns on, I can also see my garage from inside the house so if I see the light come on at night I know someone is in my garage! I also never have to worry about someone leaving the light on out there for hours and hours and it never comes on in the day time.
my other motion sensor light switch is in my entry way because the light switch is not near the door, I also often come in that door with groceries in my hands, for that room it's really nice to not have to fumble for a switch or take my shoes off in the dark, if you stop moving it doesn't always realize you are still there and the light turns off after 60 seconds.
Neither of these motion sensors work with CFL or LED bulbs, the LED never turns off and the CFL flickers on and off because the switch it's self draws around 2 watts in standby mode.

One other place that I've seen a motion sensor work really well was in a bath room hooked to the vent fan, it had it's on time dial cranked up to 10 minutes or so and every time you went in the bath room the fan came on, that bath room had a lot of repairs done due to moisture problems and this was part of the fix after the rot was taken care of, it was also in a rental so you couldn't rely on a well trained home owner.

I would like to try some occupancy sensor switches and see how they compare, my entry way is getting a washing machine hooked up soon, so a better sensor in there would be nice.

chrisnotap · 10-01-12, 08:56 PM

The timer in my bathroom has been on the fritz and stays on constantly sometimes but what you said about using a motion sensor set at ten minutes would be a perfect replacement. Thanks for the idea.

David_L_G · 10-02-12, 05:26 AM

The office lighting in my workplace is connected to occupancy sensors. These work very well and don't switch off the lights when people sit too still for too long (as we all do when sitting at computers). I don't have details on what type they are, but they must be standard off-the shelf models. The lights usually go off about 15 mins after the last person leaves.

The fact that commercial sensors are avaiable which work well is encouraging. Unlike the cheap sensor I have in my pantry which turns the light off if you take too long to make a decision on which bottle of wine you want :-)

S-F · 09-21-12, 07:15 PM

This is a tuff nut to crack. I use home automation and have kids. Sensing occupancy is difficult. I plan on putting flex sensors in the floor that isn't masonry and bed sensors but what about the basement slab? My kids are peaceful and calm but they sometimes forget to turn the lights off.

Xringer · 09-21-12, 07:31 PM

Sometimes, I forget to turn off the lights.. But, I use these..

At 7.5 watts, it's going to take a while to run up the bill..

09-20-12, 09:10 PM	#1
ownerbuilder2012 Aspiring Renovator Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Motion sensors Hi everyone, I have a question, is it energy efficient to use Motion sensors in rooms to detect if anyone is using it, and if not automatically turns off every electrical equipment. Come to think of it the motion sensors also consume energy for it to run? Would love to hear your thoughts on this one.

09-21-12, 09:43 AM	#3
Daox Administrator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Germantown, WI Posts: 5,525 Thanks: 1,162 Thanked 374 Times in 305 Posts	Its energy efficient if you are lazy (or just not paying any attention to energy usage, example: kids) and don't turn off the lights yourself. If you remember to turn things off when you leave a room then its not going to save you anything. __________________ Current project - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. & To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	I don't think sensors would help very much for lighting, unless the lights were also controlled by a smart computer program. Just using Off-the-shelf units will turn on the lights for a set minimum time cycle, each time someone was in the room, even if it was only for a few seconds. The other big problem I have with my automatic lights, if I'm not constantly moving around, they go off, normally at the worst possible moment. __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

09-21-12, 12:16 PM	#5
Daox Administrator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Germantown, WI Posts: 5,525 Thanks: 1,162 Thanked 374 Times in 305 Posts	You would need what they call occupancy sensors. They use motion, sound, and some even use more to detect if someone is in the room. __________________ Current project - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. & To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

10-02-12, 05:26 AM	#8
David_L_G Lurking Renovator Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Clarence Gardens, South Australia Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Occupancy sensors can work well The office lighting in my workplace is connected to occupancy sensors. These work very well and don't switch off the lights when people sit too still for too long (as we all do when sitting at computers). I don't have details on what type they are, but they must be standard off-the shelf models. The lights usually go off about 15 mins after the last person leaves. The fact that commercial sensors are avaiable which work well is encouraging. Unlike the cheap sensor I have in my pantry which turns the light off if you take too long to make a decision on which bottle of wine you want :-)

09-21-12, 09:04 AM	#2
Higgy The Gardener Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manitoba - Canada Posts: 492 Thanks: 17 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Good question. I could see doing that with lights, but not a tv. That would just bug me after a while to have to turn the tv back on every time I got up to pee or go for a snack. Actually it would bug me to have to turn the light back on as well. Maybe if you could set the sensor to turn things off after a certain period of time. I don't know, the more I think about it the more I think that it's useless unless you were to just put it into a bathroom or something for people who forget to turn the light off. It would also have to be more of a heat sensor then motion though. How often do you move while watching TV, or reading a book.

09-21-12, 05:42 PM	#6
Ryland Master EcoRenovator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Western Wisconsin. Posts: 913 Thanks: 127 Thanked 82 Times in 71 Posts	I have two motion sensors in my house, they are the common ones that every big box store sells. I have one in my garage so when I open up the door and walk in with my bike the light turns on, I can also see my garage from inside the house so if I see the light come on at night I know someone is in my garage! I also never have to worry about someone leaving the light on out there for hours and hours and it never comes on in the day time. my other motion sensor light switch is in my entry way because the light switch is not near the door, I also often come in that door with groceries in my hands, for that room it's really nice to not have to fumble for a switch or take my shoes off in the dark, if you stop moving it doesn't always realize you are still there and the light turns off after 60 seconds. Neither of these motion sensors work with CFL or LED bulbs, the LED never turns off and the CFL flickers on and off because the switch it's self draws around 2 watts in standby mode. One other place that I've seen a motion sensor work really well was in a bath room hooked to the vent fan, it had it's on time dial cranked up to 10 minutes or so and every time you went in the bath room the fan came on, that bath room had a lot of repairs done due to moisture problems and this was part of the fix after the rot was taken care of, it was also in a rental so you couldn't rely on a well trained home owner. I would like to try some occupancy sensor switches and see how they compare, my entry way is getting a washing machine hooked up soon, so a better sensor in there would be nice.

10-01-12, 08:56 PM	#7
chrisnotap Lurking Renovator Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 1 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The timer in my bathroom has been on the fritz and stays on constantly sometimes but what you said about using a motion sensor set at ten minutes would be a perfect replacement. Thanks for the idea.

09-21-12, 07:31 PM	#10
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Old and forgetful.. Sometimes, I forget to turn off the lights.. But, I use these.. At 7.5 watts, it's going to take a while to run up the bill.. __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..