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Old 02-22-13, 02:08 PM   #51
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Affinity fraud is something to think about in this discussion. Paul Krugman recently wrote this about it in reference to economics. But it could just as well be written about Global Anthropogenic Climate Change if you substitute a few words.

"As I’ve written on previous occasions, the Bernie Madoff phenomenon helped me understand a lot about the persistence of bad economics [bad climate science]. Madoff flourished through “affinity fraud”; his investors [followers]thought he was their kind of guy, so they didn’t look hard at how he was allegedly making money[creating new science]. And I realized that a similar phenomenon explains the enduring popularity of goldbugs and fiscal doomsayers — including, say, the Wall Street Journal editorial page — despite years of being wrong about everything; their devotees, who consist in large part of cranky old white men, see kindred spirits and can’t see past that to the consistently terrible analysis."

Often, people who are logic and science oriented cannot get a foothold in important decision making when affinity fraud is going on. That's why those of us using real data, and logic cannot get a foothold in these discussions. The other side in these discussions will always have their Bernie Madoffs offering soothing explanations why a change of course is not neccessary. He was their kind of guy.

I should add that I fully expect that Ecomodded will turn this around and say that those believing in man created global warming are the Bernie Madoffs of the world. That would follow from all previous comments on this thread. It is the equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I response?" between two kids. Always blame the messenger for bad news, especially if the course change will neccessarily change the economics and put different people in charge on those things. Even if it has been proven that a certain group that is in charge is either corrupt or incompetent it always comes down to the accusation that any change in that power structure is the result of hubris by those who will take over, even if its a Darwinian change resulting from victory of the competent over the incompetent.


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Old 02-22-13, 06:17 PM   #52
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I thought that your use of English had improved remarkably.

Now I see that you cut & pasted every word.

Waste of time.

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Please contain yourself, I have a link to the Article at the bottom of my posts.
Love it, You obviously are taken aback by my points,to stoop to such ramblings.
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Old 02-22-13, 06:23 PM   #53
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If this is going to be end result for opposition, I will cease sharing any information on the topic. Don't want to upset the balances of the site. Making People throw pussy fits and the like.
I would rather back off.

I can do that, for you guys.

Say the word
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Old 02-22-13, 07:03 PM   #54
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If this is going to be end result for opposition, I will cease sharing any information on the topic. Don't want to upset the balances of the site. Making People throw pussy fits and the like.
I would rather back off.

I can do that, for you guys.

Say the word
You are independent. Asking us for advice on this instead of acting like a free agent is just another tactic of yours to become a victim. Pathetic.
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Old 02-22-13, 08:25 PM   #55
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Making People throw pussy fits and the like.

I would rather back off.

I can do that, for you guys.
I think it would be for the best.

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Old 02-22-13, 09:11 PM   #56
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ECO, do you post on HVAC? I am becoming embarrassed by the similar tone that appears there. Mr Harper has you brainwashed.

Fact is, things are changing. We are human and don't have all the answers BUT it IS changing way faster than at any time previously and a a higher rate. If this change was over 10,000 years, I wouldn't argue with you but it isn't.

If 97% of the worlds scientists agree, the chances are that they are more right than wrong. There is no government conspiracy, talk to the insurance companies who pay out record amounts of money. They are some of the most conservative actuaries in the world and they acknowledge what is happening.

Those who disagree are most often profiting from not doing anything. Those who agree about GW were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth, they are honest and hard working people, and I know lots of them.

So you can believe what you want but don't argue to strenuously. You may end up scratching your tonsils with your toenails.

That is my first and last statement on this post.
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I think it would be for the best.

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Anthony Watts said that he would accept the finding of the BEST study, no matter what the conclusion.

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The BEST study checked all the data and it concurred with the 97% of all climate scientists.

Anthony Watts reneged on his word. And he is no scientist.

Ignoring the fact that we are changing the climate will cost us *far* more than doing what we need to do - moving to renewable energy as quickly as possible.
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The volume of ice in the Arctic is ONE FIFTH what it was in 1980:

Arctic Death Spiral Bombshell: CryoSat-2 Confirms Sea Ice Volume Has Collapsed | ThinkProgress

This is a 3D animated graph of the ice volume data:



And this is a 2D animated GIF:

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Default Can the Australian Economy afford global warming?

The Fall of Australia - Coming Catastrophes in the Australian Economy - YouTube

Australia is one of the greener nations, but can they sustain their programs?
It seems like the younger segment of the population isn't as worried about
global warming as they were in recent years..

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