DIY dense pack cellulose

Daox · 08-09-11, 01:21 PM

Has anyone here ever done dense pack cellulose insulation? I'm planning on doing it for my office remodel and am just wondering how difficult it is? If there are any tricks, necessary tools, etc.

I know there are different ways of doing it. I've seen it blown in using insulation mesh over an open wall so you can see what is going on. This is the method I plan on using having never done this before.

I've also seen it where they just drill holes and fish a tube into the wall and slowly pull it out as the cavity fills up.

I don't have any links handy, but a dense pack cellulose calculator so you know how much to buy would be quite useful too.

Anyway, if you have any tips, tricks, info or links, please share!

Daox · 08-09-11, 01:42 PM

Here is a good general overview, not really any tips but describes the different methods of using cellulose insulation:

Cellulose Insulation Facts & Do-it-Yourself Guide | RafterTales | Home Improvement Made Easy

S-F · 08-09-11, 06:52 PM

The problem with DIY dense pack is that it's difficult to get the proper pressure with a rental machine. I have yet to find one that can produce the necessary pressure even right at the outlet of the blower. Also you need to step down the diameter of the hose in slow increments so you will need to buy the hoses (it's really important for the last hose at least to be of proper quality) and the reducers. Aside from that, you just push the hose to the top or bottom of the cavity through one hole in the middle and then run it until you hear the pressure back up in the hose. Then you pull it out a little bit and repeat. After you get back to the hole push the hose down to the bottom and repeat. The insulmesh serves two purposes. First it lets you kick the tires so to say. Also it keeps the cellulose in place but lets the air escape instead of it all blowing out the hole you're sticking the hose in.

Daox · 08-10-11, 07:58 AM

I guess I'll start calling around to see if any places have machines for dense packing cellulose.

S-F · 08-10-11, 08:07 AM

You might also want to get some quotes for having someone do it for you. At least out here a lot of the cellulose guys are very reasonable. They are often willing to work with me on costs. They pay less for cellulose because they buy it in huge amounts. So maybe you can work a deal where you fill the hopper while the guy packs it. Something like that. I can't imagine it would cost too much to dense pack one wall.

Daox · 08-10-11, 08:13 AM

I do actually know a guy who is getting into the business. Hes from the local makerspace and I helped him a few weeks ago. He bought a machine and was modifying it to get more power for dense packing cellulose. I'll probably shoot him an email.

wendortb · 08-20-11, 04:03 PM

So what happens if you use a rental machine to spray in cellulose in the walls and try to dense pack? Is it just loose fill and settles and creates voids?

S-F · 08-20-11, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wendortb

So what happens if you use a rental machine to spray in cellulose in the walls and try to dense pack? Is it just loose fill and settles and creates voids?

Yep. This is why the blowers have gotten so much more powerful. It used to be done with a cheap blower and the "two hole method" and now all of those walls have spots with no insulation. At first it's really nice though as loose cellulose has better R value than dense pack. Not by much but a little. Actually This might be canceled out by the fact that loose fill doesn't have the same air sealing properties as dense pack. These days the two hole method is only used if there is concern about the inside wall blowing up under the pressure. Even with a pretty nice blower (Force 2) you need to reduce the hose size quite a bit to get the needed pressure. There's no way to get 3.5 Lbs. with the giant hose used for a loose blow.

Apparently Robert Riversong uses a rental machine so it's theoretically possible. You need to get a pressure tester for it which can be picked up at, well, I'd get it at National Fiber because they are right near by. You also need a good hose (read Tiger Flex) for the last length or else you will get clogs and all kinds of other problems. Regular vinyl hose keeps it's shape so it will be all curled up and not interested in going where you want it leading to voids, frustration and settling. You also need to reduce the hose size gradually or you again will get clogs.

GaryGary · 08-23-11, 10:06 PM

Hi Tim,
I've never done it myself, but there are a couple pretty detailed descriptions here:

Blowing Cellulose Insulation into Existing Walls

Gary

Daox · 08-24-11, 09:19 AM

Thanks Gary. I think I'll call around and see if anyone has a machine capable of dense packing.

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Daox Administrator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Germantown, WI Posts: 5,525 Thanks: 1,162 Thanked 374 Times in 305 Posts	DIY dense pack cellulose Has anyone here ever done dense pack cellulose insulation? I'm planning on doing it for my office remodel and am just wondering how difficult it is? If there are any tricks, necessary tools, etc. I know there are different ways of doing it. I've seen it blown in using insulation mesh over an open wall so you can see what is going on. This is the method I plan on using having never done this before. I've also seen it where they just drill holes and fish a tube into the wall and slowly pull it out as the cavity fills up. I don't have any links handy, but a dense pack cellulose calculator so you know how much to buy would be quite useful too. Anyway, if you have any tips, tricks, info or links, please share! __________________ Current project - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. & To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by Daox; 08-09-11 at 09:56 PM..

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S-F You Ain't Me Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northampton MA Posts: 662 Thanks: 6 Thanked 71 Times in 58 Posts	The problem with DIY dense pack is that it's difficult to get the proper pressure with a rental machine. I have yet to find one that can produce the necessary pressure even right at the outlet of the blower. Also you need to step down the diameter of the hose in slow increments so you will need to buy the hoses (it's really important for the last hose at least to be of proper quality) and the reducers. Aside from that, you just push the hose to the top or bottom of the cavity through one hole in the middle and then run it until you hear the pressure back up in the hose. Then you pull it out a little bit and repeat. After you get back to the hole push the hose down to the bottom and repeat. The insulmesh serves two purposes. First it lets you kick the tires so to say. Also it keeps the cellulose in place but lets the air escape instead of it all blowing out the hole you're sticking the hose in.

08-10-11, 08:07 AM	#5
S-F You Ain't Me Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northampton MA Posts: 662 Thanks: 6 Thanked 71 Times in 58 Posts	You might also want to get some quotes for having someone do it for you. At least out here a lot of the cellulose guys are very reasonable. They are often willing to work with me on costs. They pay less for cellulose because they buy it in huge amounts. So maybe you can work a deal where you fill the hopper while the guy packs it. Something like that. I can't imagine it would cost too much to dense pack one wall.

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wendortb Lurking Renovator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So what happens if you use a rental machine to spray in cellulose in the walls and try to dense pack? Is it just loose fill and settles and creates voids?

08-23-11, 10:06 PM	#9
GaryGary Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SW Montana Posts: 139 Thanks: 1 Thanked 21 Times in 15 Posts	Hi Tim, I've never done it myself, but there are a couple pretty detailed descriptions here: Blowing Cellulose Insulation into Existing Walls Gary