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oil pan 4 · 03-15-15, 01:28 PM

Backyard burger and wiener roasts targeted by EPA | WashingtonExaminer.com

You just cant make this stuff up.
From the article:

"But, total capture isn't "practical," so a filter and fan are proposed for installation. "The secondary air filtration system is composed of a single pipe duct system which contains a specialized metal filter, a metal fan blade, a drive shaft, and an accompanying power system with either a motorized or manual method. This system can be powered by either an exterior electric motor with a chain-driven drive shaft, directly spinning the fan blade, or a hand-powered crank," said the project write-up."

So now you will need to buy a grill with electric fan motor which needs to be plugged in, a chain drive, built in George forman style grease catcher and special metal air filter.

What if you are camping and have no electrical power

, then what do you do with the drippings if you are out some where camping? Keep them around, let them marinate in the sunlight for a few days or throw them on the ground and attract a bear? All great ideas, if you are on a bear hunting trip.

hamsterpower · 03-16-15, 08:47 AM

It sounds to me from the article that the focus is on the inhalation of particulates by the pit master. Might I suggest a dust mask/resparator?

If the concern is for overall emissions, there is some lower hanging fruit to reach for over the occational backyard barbecue.

Smoked meat anyone?

Elcam84 · 03-30-15, 08:09 PM

I grill allot and have a couple smokers... In fact the grill and smoker are our primary cooking appliances. I have seen some city's try to ban grilling at certain times and days and I get even more amusement out of this article.... There have been some rumors saying that burning of the fats can cause cancer but they have been refuted more than once. Personally I see more of an issue from the smoke from a smoker from a health aspect.

natethebrown · 03-31-15, 07:52 AM

Eh, they will probably make people cook everything on a camp fire (carbon neutral).

Not that that isn't a bad thing...

My steak on a backpacking trip.

It was a delicious, slightly under medium, dinner!

MishaB · 03-31-15, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natethebrown

Eh, they will probably make people cook everything on a camp fire (carbon neutral).

Not that that isn't a bad thing...

My steak on a backpacking trip.

It was a delicious, slightly under medium, dinner!

Wow that steak looks amazing

I'm so hungry now

Leafgreen · 04-16-15, 04:25 PM

Cooking with wood is not "carbon neutral". You are referring to carbon emissions into the air. Yeah, wood contains carbon. But if you throw a log into a forest, it won't end up as smoke in the air, unless it gets burned.

natethebrown · 04-16-15, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leafgreen

Cooking with wood is not "carbon neutral". You are referring to carbon emissions into the air. Yeah, wood contains carbon. But if you throw a log into a forest, it won't end up as smoke in the air, unless it gets burned.

Trees absorb carbon from the air. Burning wood is a rapid release of this carbon that was absorbed. Burning wood is essentially carbon neutral.

jeff5may · 09-10-15, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafgreen

Cooking with wood is not "carbon neutral". You are referring to carbon emissions into the air. Yeah, wood contains carbon. But if you throw a log into a forest, it won't end up as smoke in the air, unless it gets burned.

This sounds too much like the ethanol fuel debate... don't starve the world by using up all the corn for fuel... distilling alcohol is immoral... your car won't run on it... methanol won't work either... freedom of choice is bad... blaggety blaargh.

The real question is: wouldn't my turds replace the scorched wood after I digested that massive, juicy steak? Or is that just another form of restricted waste to sequester?

Solar Mike · 09-10-15, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafgreen

Cooking with wood is not "carbon neutral". You are referring to carbon emissions into the air. Yeah, wood contains carbon. But if you throw a log into a forest, it won't end up as smoke in the air, unless it gets burned.

Sorry incorrect, when logs decompose or rot on the forest floor, their carbon is released by bacteria etc, just takes longer than burning it. Science behind this is called "The Carbon Cycle", used to be taught in schools here in NZ.

Mikesolar · 09-11-15, 07:46 AM

Ohoh, looks like there will be some name confusion here, Solar Mike, haha.

I think one of the issues was over propane use. I believe Cali banned (or will ban) fire starter fluids and of course 2 stroke engines are phased out. The low hanging fruit is disappearing so they are going after other things.

There are just too many sources of pollutants and too many of us. If we all decided to go carbon "neutral" and burned wood, where would we be? all trees gone and sky full of smoke. Oh yea, the west is burning already so we know what it would be like.

03-15-15, 01:28 PM	#1
oil pan 4 Land owner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NM Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 12 Thanked 127 Times in 107 Posts	Saving the world through increased consumption Backyard burger and wiener roasts targeted by EPA \| WashingtonExaminer.com You just cant make this stuff up. From the article: "But, total capture isn't "practical," so a filter and fan are proposed for installation. "The secondary air filtration system is composed of a single pipe duct system which contains a specialized metal filter, a metal fan blade, a drive shaft, and an accompanying power system with either a motorized or manual method. This system can be powered by either an exterior electric motor with a chain-driven drive shaft, directly spinning the fan blade, or a hand-powered crank," said the project write-up." So now you will need to buy a grill with electric fan motor which needs to be plugged in, a chain drive, built in George forman style grease catcher and special metal air filter. What if you are camping and have no electrical power , then what do you do with the drippings if you are out some where camping? Keep them around, let them marinate in the sunlight for a few days or throw them on the ground and attract a bear? All great ideas, if you are on a bear hunting trip.

03-16-15, 08:47 AM	#2
hamsterpower Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 142 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	It sounds to me from the article that the focus is on the inhalation of particulates by the pit master. Might I suggest a dust mask/resparator? If the concern is for overall emissions, there is some lower hanging fruit to reach for over the occational backyard barbecue. Smoked meat anyone?

03-30-15, 08:09 PM	#3
Elcam84 Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: TX Posts: 275 Thanks: 2 Thanked 31 Times in 24 Posts	I grill allot and have a couple smokers... In fact the grill and smoker are our primary cooking appliances. I have seen some city's try to ban grilling at certain times and days and I get even more amusement out of this article.... There have been some rumors saying that burning of the fats can cause cancer but they have been refuted more than once. Personally I see more of an issue from the smoke from a smoker from a health aspect.

03-31-15, 07:52 AM	#4
natethebrown Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Alabama Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 20 Posts	Eh, they will probably make people cook everything on a camp fire (carbon neutral). Not that that isn't a bad thing... My steak on a backpacking trip. It was a delicious, slightly under medium, dinner!

04-16-15, 04:25 PM	#6
Leafgreen Laughing Renovator Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Chicago Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cooking with wood is not "carbon neutral". You are referring to carbon emissions into the air. Yeah, wood contains carbon. But if you throw a log into a forest, it won't end up as smoke in the air, unless it gets burned.

09-11-15, 07:46 AM	#10
Mikesolar Master EcoRenovator Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 958 Thanks: 40 Thanked 158 Times in 150 Posts	Ohoh, looks like there will be some name confusion here, Solar Mike, haha. I think one of the issues was over propane use. I believe Cali banned (or will ban) fire starter fluids and of course 2 stroke engines are phased out. The low hanging fruit is disappearing so they are going after other things. There are just too many sources of pollutants and too many of us. If we all decided to go carbon "neutral" and burned wood, where would we be? all trees gone and sky full of smoke. Oh yea, the west is burning already so we know what it would be like.