Building a pedal power bicycle 12 volt generator, ghetto style

MetroMPG · 01-14-09, 08:10 PM

I've wanted to do something like this for a while, mostly because I think it'd make for an interesting and cool project.

Goal:

Use my existing bike to generate DC power to charge a battery which I can then use to power various small household AC things through an inverter.

Motivation:

Generally to learn stuff about this stuff. My existing level of expertise with human powered generators is ... as a kid, riding one of my neighbour's bikes with one of those generator-against-the-front-tire powered headlights.

Also, I sit on my butt most of the day. Being able to hop on the bike and feed a few watts into a battery will be a good break to get the blood flowing.

Also also, it's winter, and the apartment I'm staying in has zero insulation. I can either be completely sedentary and crank up the heat up to feel nice and warm, or I can occasionally hop on the bike for a few minutes of pedalling.

Budget:

Haha! Budget? I don't need no stinking budget!

This will be as close to free as possible. Scrounged. Ghetto. Used parts. Stuff I've already got.

So here we go...

Edit: added January 21, 2009... YouTube video of the project's success!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQiurfsypI

MetroMPG · 01-14-09, 08:34 PM

Here are the parts I've got:

Bike:

My "classic" GT Karakoram mountain bike. Mountain Bike Magazine "bike of the year" in 1997, woo!! Still delivering lots of mountain biking fun after 12 years. My biking friends have gone through 3 or 4 bikes apiece in the time I've owned this one. I've sworn to ride it until either (a) I snap it in half, or (b) replacement parts are no longer available. Hey, it still gets me up the same climbs it did when it was new.

Motor/generator:

This is a permanent magnet 12 volt DC heater blower motor scrounged from one of the 2 cars that were used to build the ForkenSwift electric car. It used to have one of those "squirrel cage" fans on the shaft, which I have already cut away, down to a rough plastic hub on a steel "D" shaped shaft.

I don't know the motor's rating, but I'm guessing it could pull about 5 ish amps continous in its life as a blower motor. If I can get it to output 5A, that would be a useful amount of current for charging a battery.

Battery (12 volt):

Don't actually have one yet.

I figured I'm probably just going to go around to the local garages/parts stores and see if someone will give me one that's recently been swapped out. If I can find one that'll take a 12v charge, that's good enough. I'm not looking for tons of capacity.

DC/AC inverter:

I've got one pretty much exactly like this one. 150 watts peak AC output. Good enough to run a laptop, clock radio, or a small fluorescent lamp.

Instrumentation:

Just a regular inexpensive digital multimeter, with a 10 A current function as well. So I can monitor how much voltage & current I'm stuffing into the battery and how much I'm draining it down when basking in the power being used to run my vast collection of fun & useful consumer electronics!

Up next: plan of attack...

ALK · 08-22-12, 07:01 PM

Up next: plan of attack...[/QUOTE]
Hi Sir
how are you? I'm working on bike electric, and i red you idea, was cool and im asking for you can send me all the parts with name and number with all wires i need. also the calculation i need to measure what speed i use and how fast i can go with timing.
also the friction with tire and the current voltage going out all the details.

MetroMPG · 01-14-09, 08:36 PM

Here's the plan, such as it is:

Step 1: make a stand for the bike

Step 2: attach the motor to the stand so it spins off the rear tire somehow

Step 3: pedal like crazy, and hook the motor wires to the battery when the RPM/voltage is high enough to feed juice to the battery (rather than have the battery spin the motor). Generate lots of "free" power.

Step 4: Reap the fruits of better living through physics and chemistry! Or something.

Today I did step 1, and ended up with this:

Ghetto bike stand made out of scrap wood!

I was going to use a discarded shipping pallet for the wood, but found some other scraps, so I didn't have to spend time disassembling a pallet. Yay.

I've already test ridden it. Functional & stable! Next time, I'll post how I put it together. Though it's obviously tailored for this specific bike, you could probably adapt the approach for any bike.

SVOboy · 01-14-09, 10:21 PM

Don't you have a trainer you can use?

Daox · 01-15-09, 05:53 AM

Woooo, its prettier than I had imagined.

What are your current thoughts for mounting the motor so it touches the tire?

MetroMPG · 01-15-09, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVOboy

Don't you have a trainer you can use?

Trainer? No sir! I'm not training for anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daox

Woooo, its prettier than I had imagined.

What are your current thoughts for mounting the motor so it touches the tire?

More wood! More screws!

The good thing about the motor is the big flange attached to it, so it shouldn't be too hard to mount on some wood. I think I'm going to extend one of the bike stand uprights and mount the motor on the top of the tire.

My engineering challenge is: this is a knobby tire, so while orienting the motor to run against against the tread face will be easiest, it'll also be pretty bumpy and kind of noisy. Running the motor against the side of the tire would be best for noise & good contact. I should probably design it that way...

Doofus McFancypants · 01-15-09, 07:32 AM

Cool idea.

as this is for generaton purposes - maybe you can find a scrap 10 speed real wheel and fit it on there with a "slick" tire.
take your bike - swap the rear wheel for the "slick" to genorate.
when you go MTbiking - swap them back.

no damage to your Off road wheel

PLus, then you could mount the generator it as best fits on the frame / wheel

Steve

Daox · 01-15-09, 07:41 AM

I was thinking about this and thought I'd share my thought on how to mount the motor to the side of the wheel. Its not too complex and shouldn't be too horribly hard to make. Here is a real rough picture of it.

MetroMPG · 01-15-09, 07:48 AM

Good idea, Doofus, I'll keep my eye open. Being wood construction, it'll be relatively easy to mod if something turns up.

Let's call this version 1.0.

If it works, I'd consider using some scrap bikes when I get back to Ontario in the spring to make a dedicated (non-rideable) compact version.

Thanks for the diagram Tim. Now I have to buy a hinge! There goes the budget!

01-14-09, 08:34 PM	#2
MetroMPG Infrequent noob Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: 1000 Islands region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 402 Thanks: 37 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	Here are the parts I've got: Bike: My "classic" GT Karakoram mountain bike. Mountain Bike Magazine "bike of the year" in 1997, woo!! Still delivering lots of mountain biking fun after 12 years. My biking friends have gone through 3 or 4 bikes apiece in the time I've owned this one. I've sworn to ride it until either (a) I snap it in half, or (b) replacement parts are no longer available. Hey, it still gets me up the same climbs it did when it was new. Motor/generator: This is a permanent magnet 12 volt DC heater blower motor scrounged from one of the 2 cars that were used to build the ForkenSwift electric car. It used to have one of those "squirrel cage" fans on the shaft, which I have already cut away, down to a rough plastic hub on a steel "D" shaped shaft. I don't know the motor's rating, but I'm guessing it could pull about 5 ish amps continous in its life as a blower motor. If I can get it to output 5A, that would be a useful amount of current for charging a battery. Battery (12 volt): Don't actually have one yet. I figured I'm probably just going to go around to the local garages/parts stores and see if someone will give me one that's recently been swapped out. If I can find one that'll take a 12v charge, that's good enough. I'm not looking for tons of capacity. DC/AC inverter: I've got one pretty much exactly like this one. 150 watts peak AC output. Good enough to run a laptop, clock radio, or a small fluorescent lamp. Instrumentation: Just a regular inexpensive digital multimeter, with a 10 A current function as well. So I can monitor how much voltage & current I'm stuffing into the battery and how much I'm draining it down when basking in the power being used to run my vast collection of fun & useful consumer electronics! Up next: plan of attack... __________________ . To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-22-12, 07:01 PM	#3
ALK Lurking Renovator Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Cleveland Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Building a pedal power bicycle 12 volt generator, ghetto style Up next: plan of attack...[/QUOTE] Hi Sir how are you? I'm working on bike electric, and i red you idea, was cool and im asking for you can send me all the parts with name and number with all wires i need. also the calculation i need to measure what speed i use and how fast i can go with timing. also the friction with tire and the current voltage going out all the details.

01-14-09, 08:36 PM	#4
MetroMPG Infrequent noob Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: 1000 Islands region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 402 Thanks: 37 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	Here's the plan, such as it is: Step 1: make a stand for the bike Step 2: attach the motor to the stand so it spins off the rear tire somehow Step 3: pedal like crazy, and hook the motor wires to the battery when the RPM/voltage is high enough to feed juice to the battery (rather than have the battery spin the motor). Generate lots of "free" power. Step 4: Reap the fruits of better living through physics and chemistry! Or something. Today I did step 1, and ended up with this: Ghetto bike stand made out of scrap wood! I was going to use a discarded shipping pallet for the wood, but found some other scraps, so I didn't have to spend time disassembling a pallet. Yay. I've already test ridden it. Functional & stable! Next time, I'll post how I put it together. Though it's obviously tailored for this specific bike, you could probably adapt the approach for any bike. __________________ . To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Doofus McFancypants Helper EcoRenovator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cool idea. as this is for generaton purposes - maybe you can find a scrap 10 speed real wheel and fit it on there with a "slick" tire. take your bike - swap the rear wheel for the "slick" to genorate. when you go MTbiking - swap them back. no damage to your Off road wheel PLus, then you could mount the generator it as best fits on the frame / wheel Steve __________________ Steve AKA Doofus

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SVOboy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 291 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Don't you have a trainer you can use?

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Daox Administrator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Germantown, WI Posts: 5,525 Thanks: 1,162 Thanked 374 Times in 305 Posts	I was thinking about this and thought I'd share my thought on how to mount the motor to the side of the wheel. Its not too complex and shouldn't be too horribly hard to make. Here is a real rough picture of it. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Current project - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. & To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

01-15-09, 07:48 AM	#10
MetroMPG Infrequent noob Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: 1000 Islands region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 402 Thanks: 37 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	Good idea, Doofus, I'll keep my eye open. Being wood construction, it'll be relatively easy to mod if something turns up. Let's call this version 1.0. If it works, I'd consider using some scrap bikes when I get back to Ontario in the spring to make a dedicated (non-rideable) compact version. Thanks for the diagram Tim. Now I have to buy a hinge! There goes the budget! __________________ . To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.