AirThings Radon sensor

Xringer · 12-06-20, 02:30 PM

It's an older Gen1 model, so it's not able to talk to Amazon..

It's about to finish up it's 1 week calibration run.

So far, I'm liking it. I've inserted the rain record since 11/29/20 so you can see the Rain-to-Radon relationship.
Seems like water pressure increasing in the soil, might be squishing out the Radon. So the Radon up-flow rate increases.
This happens so fast, my old theory of increased water flow over granite (which has high radon content), erodes the rock, releasing more Radon might not be the whole story.
Lately, I've heard that increases in barometric air pressure can cause your basement to have more Radon. I wonder if that's accurate.?.
Seems like it might be. If the rain water pressure theory is sound.

mechanic · 12-09-20, 09:16 AM

That's interesting, I just finished about 8 weeks of radon testing and we are quite high, in the basement it was sometimes over 350 BQ/M3 (13 PCi/L I believe). My tester is just a small number readout so I couldn't follow the trends like yours, wish I would have found that unit first!

Xringer · 12-09-20, 05:10 PM

Wow, 13 PCi/L is too high for comfort. Means you need some air moved out of your basement. My kid's house had about those readings and one radon pump fixed it.

My son-in-law had this one for a long time and wasn't happy with the way it worked.
I gave them my Safety Siren Pro Series3 Radon Gas Detector - HS71512 unit.
They like it because it gives them an instant display short and long term Radon.

And used my old one. Which was accidently dropped by a neighbor and badly damage during the apocalypse.

I borrowed this AirThings, updated the firmware, checked out the app, admired it, and actually got it for Christmas!
I'm really liking this, because it has cellphone alerts (it told me to turn on the heat in the basement). The limits are pre-set by the vendor.

It's comm is on BT, (no WiFi) and it seems to update anytime I'm at home, no need to go down to the basement.

mincus · 12-22-20, 07:32 PM

This is a well timed post! We just bought a house two months ago. Everything was going swimmingly until inspection time rolled around. The house is only a year old, so we didn't expect anything major. Until the inspector looked at the radon monitor and said "oh wow." We had a level of 27! Yikes. Almost made me want to pull out of the deal.

However, they put in a radon fan and it's doing the job pretty well. I am closely monitoring it with the Airthings + monitor. I've really liked the monitor so far. Some thoughts:
- I see a strong correlation with rain like you do. I'm averaging around 3.5, but it jumps up to 7-8 for a day or so after a rain. I'm also wondering if the radon has a harder time getting through the wet ground, so more of it makes its way into my basement since the area below it is dry.
- I ran a 48 hour charcoal test. Over that 48 hour period, my airthings was showing a 3.6 average. The charcoal test came in at 2.1. So, I'm interested to know if the monitor is always 1.5 higher. Have you done a charcoal test with yours to compare?
- I've also noticed a relationship between air pressure in the basement and radon. As you can see, there certainly appears to be a correlation between higher pressure and higher radon. I would think it should be opposite of this. Lower pressure providing an easier path for radon to leak in, but obviously I'm wrong :-)

Xringer · 12-22-20, 10:44 PM

My Radon is:
4.0 for the 48 hours.
3.2 for the week.
2.6 for the month (and year).

Over a week ago, we got some snow, twice. Since last Friday, we've had melting of snow during the sunny days. So, the Radon has been up and down, averaging around 4.0 with the chart showing more red peaks than yellow dips.
It seems like any water going into the ground causes a Radon peak. Even small amounts. If the ground is already pretty saturated with water, it doesn't seem to take much water going down to send up a bunch of Radon.

The water table here is very close to my basement floor. I have a large pond nearby. So, when it rains, we sometimes get radon quickly.
However when the water table is lower, it can rain like crazy and we get nothing. But occasionally 24 to 48 hours later, the Stump Pumps start running! When it's sunny outside!

Regarding the air pressure. My house has an exhaust fan in the kitchen, a oil burner and a clothes dryer in the basement. Any of them can lower the pressure inside the house, causing radon to flow into the basement.
Radon is heavy, so it will pool on the floor like leaked Propane.
That's when I turn on the Radon pump in the basement.

If you have a radon pump or other blower etc to move a good volume of basement air outside, your average should be okay.

At the kid's house, I have their radon pump on a timer, so it's not running full time. I leave it off late at night. It runs during daytime, when people are using the basement. The Radon (was 27) stays between 3.0 & 4.0 almost all the time. If it starts going over 4.2, we run the pump for longer hours for a few days. (Their detector beeps at 4.2). Rain causes peaks there too.

I'm not sure if the New Geothermal GSHP well (or wells) 30 feet away from their house does anything to their radon levels. It's really just lowering the temperature of the groundwater. If it's a closed loop system. WHo knows?
It's just across the narrow street in front of the house.

Cheers,
Rich

mincus · 12-24-20, 01:52 PM

When you say radon pump, are you referring to a fan that pulls air from under the slab?

I'm considering adding a fresh air system (HRV or ERV) for the basement to recycle some of the air down there and hopefully pull out a bit of the radon.

Has anyone ever put in one of these systems and has a good recommendation on brand?

Xringer · 12-24-20, 07:24 PM

Yeah, some people call them Radon Fans, but I'm not a fan of that.
I think calling them Radon pumps came about because they are installed in a hole with a Sump Pump.
Both of them pump out stuff you don't want.

Basement HRV (Heat recovery ventilation) devices that I saw online years ago,
were installed in basement windows, that were high off the floor.

Radon is very heavy, so it mostly stays on the floor. So, to pump it out,
the air-input needs to be down close to the floor.
An oil furnace or a dryer will clean out a little of your radon. But a pump
that's designed to move Radon-Air, will do a much better job.

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/showt...t=radon&page=5

Because the basement slab is warmed up to *55 F by Mother Earth, I can run
my Radon Pump, oil burner (for hot water) and laundry dryer when it's
very cold outside, and not have to worry about the basement getting too cold.
The cold air sucked into the basement is heated up to 55 F, by free heat from the earth. It's seems to be a never ending supply.
* 55 is the current temperature, it will go up and down, but mostly stays around 50 this time of year.

My kid's basement is heated because she works down there 8 hours a day.
But the Mini-Spit easily keeps the open work & rec area warm as toast.

Lately, my Radon levels have been averaging pretty low, so I don't use the Radon Pump very much.
However, Flash Flood warnings are in the forecast for tomorrow! 12-25-2020

Have a good New Year,
Rich

mincus · 12-27-20, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xringer

Radon is very heavy, so it mostly stays on the floor. So, to pump it out,
the air-input needs to be down close to the floor.
An oil furnace or a dryer will clean out a little of your radon. But a pump
that's designed to move Radon-Air, will do a much better job.

Wouldn't I want the air out hose exiting on the floor? My thought is to pump in outside air and have the air be removed at the floor level. This would theoretically pull out more radon, right??

Xringer · 12-27-20, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mincus

Wouldn't I want the air out hose exiting on the floor? My thought is to pump in outside air and have the air be removed at the floor level. This would theoretically pull out more radon, right??

Yeah, that's where it's at, on the floor. That's why I keep my detector down
about 8 or 10 inches off the flood.
My home was built in 1956, so we don't need to pump IN any air. LOL!

Here's some YouTube videos that might be helpful.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...an+in+basement

A lot of these professional installs suck the air from under the slab.
In some cases, there can be problems with bottom of the pipe under
the floor, if water gets into the input.

I have found that sucking the cold air out of a cool basement at the floor
level, (abt 6" off the floor) will cause the cold air on the floor to flow to
the area of the suction. It will pull the cold air from the whole basement,
excluding closed rooms. Increased air flow of the coolest air removes the radon.

Xringer · 12-27-20, 12:51 PM

The flood came and the sump pumps started Saturday morning as the Radon increased.
Turned on the Radon pump yesterday for most of the day. It's back to low Radon today.
The water is still coming in, but slower now.
Moving out that basement air worked pretty well. The basement temperature is also back to normal.

12-06-20, 02:30 PM	#1
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	AirThings Radon sensor It's an older Gen1 model, so it's not able to talk to Amazon.. It's about to finish up it's 1 week calibration run. So far, I'm liking it. I've inserted the rain record since 11/29/20 so you can see the Rain-to-Radon relationship. Seems like water pressure increasing in the soil, might be squishing out the Radon. So the Radon up-flow rate increases. This happens so fast, my old theory of increased water flow over granite (which has high radon content), erodes the rock, releasing more Radon might not be the whole story. Lately, I've heard that increases in barometric air pressure can cause your basement to have more Radon. I wonder if that's accurate.?. Seems like it might be. If the rain water pressure theory is sound. Attached Thumbnails __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

12-09-20, 05:10 PM	#3
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Radon, it's not safe! Wow, 13 PCi/L is too high for comfort. Means you need some air moved out of your basement. My kid's house had about those readings and one radon pump fixed it. My son-in-law had this one for a long time and wasn't happy with the way it worked. I gave them my Safety Siren Pro Series3 Radon Gas Detector - HS71512 unit. They like it because it gives them an instant display short and long term Radon. And used my old one. Which was accidently dropped by a neighbor and badly damage during the apocalypse. I borrowed this AirThings, updated the firmware, checked out the app, admired it, and actually got it for Christmas! I'm really liking this, because it has cellphone alerts (it told me to turn on the heat in the basement). The limits are pre-set by the vendor. It's comm is on BT, (no WiFi) and it seems to update anytime I'm at home, no need to go down to the basement. __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less.. Last edited by Xringer; 12-09-20 at 06:01 PM.. Reason: supper break

12-22-20, 07:32 PM	#4
mincus Helper EcoRenovator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is a well timed post! We just bought a house two months ago. Everything was going swimmingly until inspection time rolled around. The house is only a year old, so we didn't expect anything major. Until the inspector looked at the radon monitor and said "oh wow." We had a level of 27! Yikes. Almost made me want to pull out of the deal. However, they put in a radon fan and it's doing the job pretty well. I am closely monitoring it with the Airthings + monitor. I've really liked the monitor so far. Some thoughts: - I see a strong correlation with rain like you do. I'm averaging around 3.5, but it jumps up to 7-8 for a day or so after a rain. I'm also wondering if the radon has a harder time getting through the wet ground, so more of it makes its way into my basement since the area below it is dry. - I ran a 48 hour charcoal test. Over that 48 hour period, my airthings was showing a 3.6 average. The charcoal test came in at 2.1. So, I'm interested to know if the monitor is always 1.5 higher. Have you done a charcoal test with yours to compare? - I've also noticed a relationship between air pressure in the basement and radon. As you can see, there certainly appears to be a correlation between higher pressure and higher radon. I would think it should be opposite of this. Lower pressure providing an easier path for radon to leak in, but obviously I'm wrong :-) Attached Thumbnails

12-22-20, 10:44 PM	#5
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	My Radon is: 4.0 for the 48 hours. 3.2 for the week. 2.6 for the month (and year). Over a week ago, we got some snow, twice. Since last Friday, we've had melting of snow during the sunny days. So, the Radon has been up and down, averaging around 4.0 with the chart showing more red peaks than yellow dips. It seems like any water going into the ground causes a Radon peak. Even small amounts. If the ground is already pretty saturated with water, it doesn't seem to take much water going down to send up a bunch of Radon. The water table here is very close to my basement floor. I have a large pond nearby. So, when it rains, we sometimes get radon quickly. However when the water table is lower, it can rain like crazy and we get nothing. But occasionally 24 to 48 hours later, the Stump Pumps start running! When it's sunny outside! Regarding the air pressure. My house has an exhaust fan in the kitchen, a oil burner and a clothes dryer in the basement. Any of them can lower the pressure inside the house, causing radon to flow into the basement. Radon is heavy, so it will pool on the floor like leaked Propane. That's when I turn on the Radon pump in the basement. If you have a radon pump or other blower etc to move a good volume of basement air outside, your average should be okay. At the kid's house, I have their radon pump on a timer, so it's not running full time. I leave it off late at night. It runs during daytime, when people are using the basement. The Radon (was 27) stays between 3.0 & 4.0 almost all the time. If it starts going over 4.2, we run the pump for longer hours for a few days. (Their detector beeps at 4.2). Rain causes peaks there too. I'm not sure if the New Geothermal GSHP well (or wells) 30 feet away from their house does anything to their radon levels. It's really just lowering the temperature of the groundwater. If it's a closed loop system. WHo knows? It's just across the narrow street in front of the house. Cheers, Rich __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

12-24-20, 07:24 PM	#7
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	Yeah, some people call them Radon Fans, but I'm not a fan of that. I think calling them Radon pumps came about because they are installed in a hole with a Sump Pump. Both of them pump out stuff you don't want. Basement HRV (Heat recovery ventilation) devices that I saw online years ago, were installed in basement windows, that were high off the floor. Radon is very heavy, so it mostly stays on the floor. So, to pump it out, the air-input needs to be down close to the floor. An oil furnace or a dryer will clean out a little of your radon. But a pump that's designed to move Radon-Air, will do a much better job. https://ecorenovator.org/forum/showt...t=radon&page=5 Because the basement slab is warmed up to 55 F by Mother Earth, I can run my Radon Pump, oil burner (for hot water) and laundry dryer when it's very cold outside, and not have to worry about the basement getting too cold. The cold air sucked into the basement is heated up to 55 F, by free heat from the earth. It's seems to be a never ending supply. 55 is the current temperature, it will go up and down, but mostly stays around 50 this time of year. My kid's basement is heated because she works down there 8 hours a day. But the Mini-Spit easily keeps the open work & rec area warm as toast. Lately, my Radon levels have been averaging pretty low, so I don't use the Radon Pump very much. However, Flash Flood warnings are in the forecast for tomorrow! 12-25-2020 Have a good New Year, Rich __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..

12-09-20, 09:16 AM	#2
mechanic Apprentice EcoRenovator Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 117 Thanks: 10 Thanked 16 Times in 12 Posts	That's interesting, I just finished about 8 weeks of radon testing and we are quite high, in the basement it was sometimes over 350 BQ/M3 (13 PCi/L I believe). My tester is just a small number readout so I couldn't follow the trends like yours, wish I would have found that unit first!

12-24-20, 01:52 PM	#6
mincus Helper EcoRenovator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	When you say radon pump, are you referring to a fan that pulls air from under the slab? I'm considering adding a fresh air system (HRV or ERV) for the basement to recycle some of the air down there and hopefully pull out a bit of the radon. Has anyone ever put in one of these systems and has a good recommendation on brand?

12-27-20, 12:51 PM	#10
Xringer Lex Parsimoniae Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 4,918 Thanks: 114 Thanked 250 Times in 230 Posts	The flood came and the sump pumps started Saturday morning as the Radon increased. Turned on the Radon pump yesterday for most of the day. It's back to low Radon today. The water is still coming in, but slower now. Moving out that basement air worked pretty well. The basement temperature is also back to normal. Attached Thumbnails __________________ My hobby is installing & trying to repair mini-splits EPA 608 Type 1 Technician Certification ~ 5 lbs or less..