Your right Jeff , my last comment I had here was not meant for your post..
Its hard to win when the judges make rules that cannot be met.
since the universe is predicted to end some day anything in it is not going to run for infinity.
But perpetual yes
Useful productive perpetual energy is real and as we see with Hydro power or wave power etc. it is possible.
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