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Daox 05-06-20 12:46 PM

Refurbishing old solar hot water panels
 
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Its been quite some time, but years ago I got 10 solar hot water panels from BenNelson. They had been sitting for quite some time with the glass panels off and need some work. I started the project, but stopped years ago. Now, I am coming back to it and looking to finish it this summer! Thanks Menaus2 for some motivational work on your own solar setup!

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Last I left them I had pressure tested 3 of the panels. I know at least one of the panels has a seam split on one of the risers that will need to be repaired.

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/attac...1&d=1588783708



So, yesterday I took a look at the remaining 7 panels. I cleaned them out quickly and inspected and disassembled the few that hadn't been disassembled. They'll need to be pressure tested.


My current question for you guys is how would you connect these solar panels? The guys that took down the panels just used a sawzall and lopped off the header pipes so they barely extend beyond the sheet aluminum case. I had planned on using PEX tubing between them. This seemed like a nice idea because it was simple, but I'm a bit worried about overheating the PEX and that causing leaks. Do you guys have any suggestions?

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/attac...1&d=1588783657

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/attac...1&d=1588784121

menaus2 05-11-20 09:16 AM

Glad I was able to inspire you haha. Looks like recycling & reuse at it's best, what a great project to have laying around! Seems to me soldering on copper pipe would be the most straightforward option...

Daox 05-12-20 05:35 PM

Alright, I need some recommendations on how to mount the glass to the cases. These panels originally came with glass that had a big rubber gasket around them, and there were little brackets that screwed on. IMO this is a horrible idea. Not only that, but the rubber gaskets are shot due to their age. So, I am looking for another solution.

I seem to remember I had the suggestion years ago from Randen (I think) about using urethane glue? However, I can't seem to find that post.

What would you guys suggest to mount the glass on the solar panel cases (aluminum)?

Daox 05-12-20 05:38 PM

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Right now, I'm thinking something like this would probably work out pretty well.

3M Auto Glass Urethane Windshield Adhesive, 08693, 10.5 fl oz Cartridge

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/attac...1&d=1589319477

menaus2 05-12-20 11:55 PM

Could you create new gaskets with silicone caulk? Maybe by making a mold? I'm not sure how well silicone would hold up directy in the elements. You might look into Lexel adhesive. That stuff is like liquid duct tape, except better. Not sure how it holds up to high temperatures though.

roger1959s 06-13-20 06:57 AM

My current question for you guys is how would you connect these solar panels? The guys that took down the panels just used a sawzall and lopped off the header pipes so they barely extend beyond the sheet aluminum case. I had planned on using PEX tubing between them. This seemed like a nice idea because it was simple, but I'm a bit worried about overheating the PEX and that causing leaks. Do you guys have any suggestions?

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/attac...1&d=1588783657

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They sell metal connectors for gas water heaters that would work but would cost a lot for that many connections.I think to code a gas water heater connection has to be 18 inches long.Then the PEX would hook to it.What i don't know is if they would have to that long when hooking up your solar panels.

roger1959s 06-13-20 07:11 AM

A few years back i fixed a leaking "T" top on my wife's Trans Am by putting a thin layer of black RTV on the "T" top gasket and Vaseline on the "T" top glass and latching the tops back in place. The next morning took the tops back off and cleaned the Vaseline off the glass and the by then dry gaskets.Lasted years on the old '79 TA.

jeff5may 06-14-20 12:16 AM

Ok so there are a few ways you can go about refurbishing the panels. Your ultimate decision will be determined by the purpose and ease of maintenance of the system.

Choice number one: never service again, system will run perfect like magic, permanently. This entails using the window weld butyl glue and soldering copper pipe between everything. Either run a drain back setup or use glycol and a steam catcher. Goes together once, maybe top off or change glycol mixture not often.

Choice number two: serviceable in case things happen. This entails using rubber heater hose and hose clamps to connect with your sawed off ends and barb fittings to whatever pipe suits your needs. If you're running the panels in parallel, I would use rigid pipe for headers. If you're not making steam, you shouldn't need to worry about high pressure or temperature. Use weatherstrip tape for the window seals: single sticky side if the windows hold together with fasteners and strips, double sticky if the tape holds them together.

Somewhere in between: shark bite couplers are magical, until they're not. Easy peasy put together, not cheap but worth it in time savings. If it doesn't leak when you put it together, it won't leak for a long time. Things have to be clean and smooth and round and such.

Daox 10-29-20 01:16 PM

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Alright, my wife and I have been working on these panels the past couple days. I brought the panels inside as its been in the mid 30F to mid 40s lately. Its so much nicer to work indoors with glues and sealants.

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/attac...1&d=1603991623



So, all the panels used to have these two holes in opposite corners to connect the old rubber couplers. I decided to cut little aluminum plates and JB weld them on to the panels.

I also noticed that the panels have small cutouts on each end. I'm not sure why these aren't sealed, but they aren't. Maybe one of you other solar water panel guys can explain that.

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/attac...1&d=1603991640

Daox 11-02-20 09:05 AM

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So, I have a smallish updated.

First, I've finished sweating PEX fittings on the rest of the panel inserts, yay.

Second, I've been pressure testing the panels. This isn't the fastest process, but IMO its necessary before putting them up in the air and finding out there is a leak!

To do this, I crimp plugged PEX lines to each corner. One has a air fitting with a ball valve and pressure gauge. I fill it up and let it sit for a while.

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/attac...1&d=1604325780

https://ecorenovator.org/forum/attac...1&d=1604325780

This part is all easy. The hardest part is actually removing the PEX lines. Once they're crimped on there they are very hard to pull off, even after cutting the metal crimps off. If anyone has any tips on how to remove PEX lines from then fittings it sure would be nice.


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