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Drake 07-06-14 06:59 PM

Double hung exterior doors in same RO ??
 
Anyone seen or heard of an in-swing and out-swing exterior door hung in the same rough opening for increased insulation. I have 9" thick wall depth to work with. Energy efficient(HI-R) doors are hard to find and extremely costly for the ones I have found. Only problem I can foresee is possible frosting between doors if in door seal leaks, or thru lock sets.

lt190b 07-06-14 07:12 PM

Drake. What do you have in the door opening now?

Drake 07-06-14 07:23 PM

New wall opening in new addition between garage and new living space so I'm thinking two foam filled plain service doors. Fiberglass if possible as they would handle some frost if it occurs better than wood or steel.

lt190b 07-06-14 07:38 PM

Drake, you could take a RH and LH exterior door unit, remove brick mould, fasten units together and hang in the opening. The thresholds would need to be cut back flush with the jamb where the units are joined. Trim might be a test of our skills, I think we can figure it out? lt190b

NeilBlanchard 07-06-14 08:18 PM

I don't know about exterior door frames, but I know that arrangement is used in hotels as the connector door between rooms.

Piwoslaw 07-08-14 01:35 AM

My grandma's house has 2 wooden doors on one doorframe. I once checked the surface temperatures during very cold weather to see how they insulate, but I can't find the data now. I do know that on summer mornings when the (east-facing) door is in full sunlight, the inside surface of the exterior door gets quite warm, but the interior door is still at room temperature.

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Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard (Post 39002)
I don't know about exterior door frames, but I know that arrangement is used in hotels as the connector door between rooms.

That may be acoustic insulation. Also,each door would have its own lock and passage would be possible if both doors are unlocked.

Drake 07-08-14 09:31 AM

Yes, a RH/LH combo would work fine(and would eliminate the extra cost of an out-swing door, which is really just modified for outside exposure(which I won't have being between attached garage and living space)). Trim work and any modifying won't be a problem. Definitely want to use two foam cored doors though.

Daox 07-08-14 09:57 AM

I distinctly remember someone posting some info on 'super insulated doors'. However, I can't seem to find that info now...

It might be buried in the passive house thread.

lt190b 07-08-14 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake (Post 39031)
Yes, a RH/LH combo would work fine(and would eliminate the extra cost of an out-swing door, which is really just modified for outside exposure(which I won't have being between attached garage and living space)). Trim work and any modifying won't be a problem. Definitely want to use two foam cored doors though.

Drake,you may need a fire rated door unit for the garage side.

Drake 07-08-14 07:21 PM

I only have State elec codes required where I am building but for safety it may not be a bad thing to do anyway. Will look into what doors would be rated.

Drake 07-30-14 11:42 AM

Have talked with a couple of engineers from two major door manufactures and both seem to think it is a doable install if you have the wall depth and a couple of other layout considerations resolved. Vapor infiltration is possible(but mitigated by being fiberglass doors, and it must meet your local codes. So I feel OK in going this plan for my egress from attached garage to new living space. Is it possible to "weather(air infiltration0 seal" lock sets to any extent??

Piwoslaw 08-03-14 11:39 PM

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Here is my grandma's double door:
http://ecorenovator.org/forum/attach...1&d=1407126460

I had my IR thermometer with me, so I did a quick check of the temperatures. The temperature of the entry hallway was 25.5C, the inner door's inside/outside surface temps were 26.5/27.7C, the temps for the outer door were 28.2/30.4C, resp., the outdoor temperature was 31-32C.

With only ~6C difference between indoor and outdoor, the effect of a double door does not show that much. In the winter I should get data with a 20-30C temp difference.

MN Renovator 08-04-14 07:49 AM

Are those solid wood doors though? Granted the aesthetics wouldn't be as nice but using a urethane core door instead of either one or both of the wooden doors would likely be an improvement. I think one urethane filled door might outperform two wooden doors plus the air gap. Even better if both were urethane core. I can't tell too well by the picture but I'm not seeing any gaskets on the visible door.

Ryland 08-05-14 08:02 AM

A double door like that is going to be annoying to use and I would only install one in a very low traffic area.

Going to a garage, you already have one air lock, the garage door, so the seal of the entrance door you install is going to get very little stress.

Having two doors like this is also going to cause you to leave both of them open longer, letting more heat out, as you fumble with both doors, so if you end up using this doorway very much it might end up being a larger heat loss then planned.

Piwoslaw 08-05-14 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MN Renovator (Post 39536)
Are those solid wood doors though? Granted the aesthetics wouldn't be as nice but using a urethane core door instead of either one or both of the wooden doors would likely be an improvement. I think one urethane filled door might outperform two wooden doors plus the air gap. Even better if both were urethane core. I can't tell too well by the picture but I'm not seeing any gaskets on the visible door.

Wood they are, Grandma would not accept anything less natural.

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Originally Posted by Ryland (Post 39556)
A double door like that is going to be annoying to use and I would only install one in a very low traffic area.

Going to a garage, you already have one air lock, the garage door, so the seal of the entrance door you install is going to get very little stress.

Having two doors like this is also going to cause you to leave both of them open longer, letting more heat out, as you fumble with both doors, so if you end up using this doorway very much it might end up being a larger heat loss then planned.

The entrance hallway is already an airlock. If visitors are expected, then the internal door can be left open and the setup works as if there was only one, external door.
I know from years of practice that if you have both hands free, then you can minimize the time that the doors are open, reducing drafts: When opening the second door, I am already closing the first door behind me.


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