Trying out my new seek thermal inferred camara.
 

I have been messing around with it a little bit. It's definitely not up to the standards or ac hackers rental one. But i could see it coming in handy.

The window picture is my 1935 single pane windows with plastic on them.

The picture that doesn't look like anything is of my GFI plug.

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Awesome! For something the size of your thumb and as cheap as they get, initial results look phenomenal!

Very interesting. I'd like to see it compared to a FLIR iphone

How well can you visualize thermal bridging or voids in walls? Is it sensitive enough to get an idea of what's going on in the walls, or does it need the pretty big temp differences you see at doors and windows to get a good picture? I'm planning on dense packing my walls with cellulose, but I know that there is some random blocking in the stud spaces so I'll need to chase down any spots I missed due to weird framing issues.

I resized your GFI image to the same size as the F7 image for comparison:


Above is the F7 GFI image in a 46F basement.



Above is your GFI image scaled to 320 high, not so bad considering your imager is 1/10 the cost of the F7.

The pic I took of a GFI was taken in an unheated basement, which was 46F at the time.

The Flir instruction sheet said 10 degree difference (minimum) for reasonable images.

Delta-T makes a big difference.

You have a lot of useful information there.

Keep going!

-AC

The thumbnails are much easier to see detail with

You could also check for warm spots in places where there should not be any , then fix them. Such as heat escaping from the exterior of the house.

Is there an option to have the images include the temperature scale? I found knowing the rough temperature from one surface to the next to be helpful. Especially if the colors are different temperatures between pictures.

The detail seems to be just good enough for this to be a useful gadget with a big enough delta T and a good eye that knows what to look for and how to use that information.

Looks like GFI plugs that go unused 99.999% of the time might need to be on a switch.

I think your Photos would turn out much better if you used a tripod , or steadied the camera in a similar manor , I seen some other mobile phone thermal images and they were MUCH more clear. like 5 times clearer then these photo's.

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Here they Are

These loop petty good.

Overlaying the visual image with the thermal image is a great idea. It really helps to identify the objects in the picture. I had to do some second guessing with the rented Flir 7. I would suspect that the combined image feature will be included in other models, maybe other brands, too. I mean you can't patent image combining, can you?

Looks like the Flir is quite sensitive to the thermal differences, especially valuable in identifying thermal bridging areas.


What was the outdoor temperature when the images were made of the vaulted ceiling?

-AC

Fluke VT series uses uncooled sensor. It uses some kind of photo image with thermal color over lay.
Flir TG165 use the same sensor as the smart phone thermal camera. It looks better than the fluke but not that great. They don't say that it uses a cooled sensor, but since its the same electronics as the smart phone add on I think its safe to assume it is not cooled.
The image looks kind of narrow, low quality, grainy.

Flir E series does wifi. Which I don't need.

Flir i3 appears to have a very narrow aspect ratio and low resolution.

At work I use a flir i7, a lot. I have a feeling I have been ruined by its wide field of view and high resolution. I could settle for the flir i5.

The flir i7 I use almost every day is awesome. It has a feature that will find the hottest or coolest pixel in the field of view. The aspect ratio is wide and the resolution is high.
Only problem is it retails for $2k, but you get what you pay for its no less than weapons grade diagnostic equipment. The price is the only thing I don't like about it.

So it will have to be a flir i5 or i7 for this guy.

I think you may be right. Given that you have to have an iphone or android phone + the flir/seek, the cost of a i5 is closer for me and the resolution is much improved over the phone cameras.

For a brand new design, from a brand new company, at a brand new low price, the seek looks like a great entry-level accessory. It most certainly will not have the gimmicks built into it that the flir products do. Seek does not have the resources nor the industry experience to produce the value-added features that flir has fully developed for their pro-grade equipment.

For an established company such as flir, including features such as image blending and picture stabilization is almost trivial in nature. Naturally, they will include these software enhancements into the flir one, since they can be integrated for next to no overhead expense. These added features have already had the research and development work completed for their more expensive products. Porting the features to work with a smartphone is like a hobby project for a software developer.

OTOH, the Seek is a first-revision device. It was designed in secrecy, in a hurry, to bring a competitive product to market. It is designed to plug into a whole generation of phones, not just a few models of the same brand. The mere feat of bringing such a niche device to the open-source market is spectacular. I would be happy to have a device that functioned with half a dozen different brands of phones straight out of the box, that didn't instantly crash the device or drain the battery in no time. The fact that you can capture virgin images and send them to the internet, to be viewed by all at will, is phenomenal.

What happens next will define whether seek will become a competitive player in their market. Once they sell a million of these devices and pad the bank account, they can write the next chapter of their own history. If they provide decent or awesome support for this original product, they will survive long enough to release future revisions or new products. As for me, I will always support American underdog inventors trying to break into a tough market.

Mighty wide of you to support a inferior product Jeff , It will take a lot of people like you to save the company from its failures to properly develop a cheap thermal gadget.

Usually when average people want something they go after the cheapest version, unless that something is a status symbol that can be shown off like a new car or the latest icrack.
So if SEEK has the cheapest semi-thermal imager on the market they could do quite well.

especially with the android crowd , they have limited options , the iPhone 5 can be had for free with some of the Cell carriers if you sign up for a 2 year contract. I know someone who did this , well he renewed his plan payed $30 and got the iPhone 5.

I came across a Macro lens for the SEEK that fits over the seeks lens and enhances the clarity.

I noticed it on eBay , below is a comparison

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No link??

-AC

Nope , no link

I believe the price was $45 , its for close up use ..

Ok, that's it! Ecomodded and or oilpan if either of you comeout with a new cheap gimmick product, I'm not goons buy it. So what if you put up your house to bring it to life? Na na boo boo, you're too good for me anyway. Starve.

I had my fun with the weapons grade stuff in the navy, on p3 sub chasers and in super hornets. for free.

I need Investors NOW
Sorry No ideas yet

Not sure why you dragged oilpan into it , must be a previous disagreement ?
I thought I was the minority on this one ..

Also jeff if you notice a few posts back I helped the seek cause .. and you have done what ? have you ordered one yet , I thought not

Put your money where your mouth is , I would like to see if you are just being a blow hard or are actually going to back the Company with your $

actually, I'm just being a scrooge. I'm happy with my black and decker IR thermometer.

I probably won't buy one right away, but I might. Just to support the cause.

foot in mouth

Don't you guys have something better to do with your time?

YOU don't apparently

Don't try and be smart your not equipped

Back on track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbbkvwJRwxs

Test with filters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkUwo2PTd28

Those images I took of the vaulted ceiling - the outside temp was -20c

Something to keep in mind is reflectivity and emisivity of an item in the picture. Window glass is highly reflective and a thermal picture of it is not accurate at all. You will see a reflection of what's around it and not a true heat signature.

Precisely. I see it all the time with the flir i7 I use at work. Glass and shinny stainless steel are highly deceptive.
In a few places flat black vinyl stickers have been attached to the stainless steel piping and surfaces, because it will read 80'F when reality its more like 135'F, or the stainless will be reflecting the temperature of a near by surface giving a totally false reading.

For home windows I would try to tape a sheet of paper to the window to get a real indication of the temperature.

I guess I can try taping a sheet of paper to a reflective surface at work and testing it with the i7 and see if it actually works.
I think a square of paper taped next to one of those vinyl stickers would be the ideal test to see if the sheet of paper can transfer and emit a heat signature from a reflective surface like the black vinyl stickers.

cool
 

Friend brought his Seek by yesterday. Way cool device.
Seems like it's compatible with relatively few of the newer
Android phones.
I don't need a phone, so buying one to go with the Seek
pushes the cost way up into the range of better imagers.
Having the ability to borrow one reduces the urgency
to buy one.
Hopefully, they'll have software to run it on a laptop
sometime soon.

Sorry I dropped off after I started this thread. I'm going to school and trying to keep school as number one priority. Second week of June I will be done. Yay! Anyway, I keep throwing money at this thing. I broke down and bought the $45 macro filter off ebay. It didn't help at all. Made it worse. The one picture that is clearer is without the filter. The other one is with it on. I guess it is what it is.

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I think the Macro is only good for extreme close ups

I thought that too so I tried it on the GFI outlet like I did when I first got it. Made no difference.

I am wondering if your phones camera is without a focus , some are like that and not all of the apps work that well with them.

Cool! This is my dream to have ir camera or seek thermal gadget! For now is too expensive for me :(

The photos I took with the Rent-a-Flir do not agree with what you have written.

-AC_Hacker