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Old 02-24-12, 07:41 PM   #101
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"- look at your corporate tax rates with respect to the rest of the Western World, you're just a tad below Japan's and everyone else is below your rate. Now you're suggesting that the rate be increased even further?"

In today's world, we have to compete on the international marketplace.
This tax increase will make the USA more competitive with Guyana and Suriname..

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Don't you think that the oil company profits are a vested interest in climate change denial? I mean, do you really think that scientists need to resort to fake science in order to get a grant? Fake or incorrect science gets flushed out rather quickly and thoroughly -- see cold fusion.

Climate science hardly stands alone -- and you cannot remove it any more than you can remove evolution or atomic theory from the body of scientific knowledge.

Here's a solid indictment of the scientists-are-in-it-for-the-money and other denial conspiracy theories:

Global warming conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Climate change denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see those Drill-baby-Drill TV spots on TV all the time..
Talking about a million jobs and many decades worth of natural gas, just waiting for us to exploit.
Someone has a vested interest. As to I, being invested in Index funds.


I don't personally know any scientists who have tampered with data,
in order to make it fit their theories. But, I have heard of it being done..
And, when I ask scientist (that I know) what they think about the GW
consensus, or about it being 'Settled science',
most tell me aren't part of the consensus, and that nothing about GW is settled yet.

When I ask about money being a motivator behind someone doing GW studies..
They just roll their eyes and say, what do you think? A couple have
told me that just about anything having to do with GW prevention has a good chance of being funded..

But, that was about five years ago.. In today's climate (pun?) many scientists
will not speak their mind on the topic of GW, for fear they will end up without
a job.. Or cut off from funding for anything..
There are GW zealots who will try to get them fired, just for expressing an opinion..

IMHO, this isn't the way the system should work..

It's only a matter of time before questions about GW show up in job interviews..
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Old 02-25-12, 08:58 AM   #103
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Today is the 25th day of February, 2012. It hasn't been very cold around here..



The average temperature for these 25 days has been, 34.1 F

Looking at the data for the same 25 days over the past 7 years,
2012 34.1
2011 27.2
2010 30.9
2009 30.5
2008 29.8
2007 24.1
2006 29.5
2005 28.5

You can see this winter, our February averaged above freezing!

Check out the sunspot sun spot numbers from 2005 to 2011..
IPS - Solar Conditions - Monthly Sunspot Numbers
Do those low numbers mean colder weather in Woburn??

But, it looks like the numbers just about doubled during 2011..
By the end of 2011, they are up around 71 spots per day..
Wow, maybe the sun is going to get back to normal again..?.

Maybe not.. The bad news is, the era of the Quite Sun might not be over..
Look at the Monthly solar cycle data chart at the bottom of this page.
Solar Terrestrial Activity Report
It looks like the count may have peaked in Nov 2011 and we are going down hill again!


Our Burst of Warmth this winter might have been caused by a peak
in sun spot numbers in Nov 2011..

If the daily sun spot count drops off again (as it appears to be doing), we might be looking at more cold winters..


If the count drops off fast, we might even have a very cool 2012 summer in the NE again..
I hate driving up to lake Winnie in July and August and not being able to swim without a wet suit..
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scary, xringer, 2006 was the year of the greatest arctic ice cap melt, and that was way higher than now, just imagine whats gonna happen this year
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I see those Drill-baby-Drill TV spots on TV all the time..
Talking about a million jobs and many decades worth of natural gas, just waiting for us to exploit.
Someone has a vested interest. As to I, being invested in Index funds.


I don't personally know any scientists who have tampered with data,
in order to make it fit their theories. But, I have heard of it being done..
And, when I ask scientist (that I know) what they think about the GW
consensus, or about it being 'Settled science',
most tell me aren't part of the consensus, and that nothing about GW is settled yet.

When I ask about money being a motivator behind someone doing GW studies..
They just roll their eyes and say, what do you think? A couple have
told me that just about anything having to do with GW prevention has a good chance of being funded..

But, that was about five years ago.. In today's climate (pun?) many scientists
will not speak their mind on the topic of GW, for fear they will end up without
a job.. Or cut off from funding for anything..
There are GW zealots who will try to get them fired, just for expressing an opinion..

IMHO, this isn't the way the system should work..

It's only a matter of time before questions about GW show up in job interviews..
xringer knows every scientist in the world
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scary, xringer, 2006 was the year of the greatest arctic ice cap melt, and that was way higher than now, just imagine whats gonna happen this year
As you can see, the sun spot numbers were high, a few years BEFORE 2006.
Higher sun spot counts means we see 'normal' temperatures. (Warmer).
It was likely those prior warmer years that caused the 06 melting.
But, in 2006, the sun spot numbers were going down pretty low..
The kept dropping until 2009, before starting back up towards normal..

BUT, if our big peak was late in 2011, it's going to be more quite sun
and more cold winters in NE (like we had 2005 to 2011)..

Of course, my 'predictions' are only based on the sunspot influencing
the temperature in the NE..
Other factors like volcanoes and El-Ninos will also have their influence..



IPS - Solar Conditions - Monthly Sunspot Numbers

------------------------ SMOOTHED SUNSPOT NUMBER ---------------------------
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
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2000 113.0 116.9 120.0 120.9 119.0 118.8 119.8 118.7 116.3 114.5 112.7 112.1
2001 108.7 104.0 104.8 107.5 108.6 109.8 111.7 113.6 114.1 114.0 115.5 114.6
2002 113.5 114.6 113.3 110.5 108.8 106.2 102.7 98.7 94.6 90.5 85.3 82.1
2003 81.0 78.6 74.2 70.4 67.9 65.3 62.1 60.3 59.8 58.4 57.0 55.0
2004 52.1 49.4 47.2 45.6 43.9 41.7 40.2 39.3 37.6 35.9 35.4 35.2
2005 34.6 34.0 33.6 31.7 28.9 28.8 29.1 27.5 25.9 25.6 25.0 23.0
2006 20.8 18.7 17.4 17.1 17.4 16.4 15.3 15.6 15.6 14.2 12.7 12.1
2007 12.0 11.6 10.8 9.9 8.7 7.7 7.0 6.1 5.9 6.1 5.7 5.0
2008 4.2 3.6 3.3 3.3 3.5 3.2 2.7 2.6 2.2 1.8 1.7 1.7
2009 1.8 1.9 2.0 2.2 2.3 2.7 3.6 4.8 6.1 7.0 7.5 8.2
2010 9.2 10.6 12.3 13.9 15.4 16.3 16.7 17.4 19.6 23.2 26.5 28.9
2011 31.0 33.5 36.9 41.8 47.6 53.2 57.3 60.7e 63.4e 65.1e 67.7e 71.2e
2012 74.8e 77.9e
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Old 02-25-12, 12:41 PM   #107
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xringer knows every scientist in the world
That's not true!!

But, a lot of the folks I've met over the last 15 years seem to be pretty knowledgeable people..

I was very lucky and found an interesting place to work..
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As you can see, the sun spot numbers were high, a few years BEFORE 2006.
Higher sun spot counts means we see 'normal' temperatures. (Warmer).
It was likely those prior warmer years that caused the 06 melting.
But, in 2006, the sun spot numbers were going down pretty low..
The kept dropping until 2009, before starting back up towards normal..

BUT, if our big peak was late in 2011, it's going to be more quite sun
and more cold winters in NE (like we had 2005 to 2011)..

Of course, my 'predictions' are only based on the sunspot influencing
the temperature in the NE..
Other factors like volcanoes and El-Ninos will also have their influence..



IPS - Solar Conditions - Monthly Sunspot Numbers

------------------------ SMOOTHED SUNSPOT NUMBER ---------------------------
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
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2000 113.0 116.9 120.0 120.9 119.0 118.8 119.8 118.7 116.3 114.5 112.7 112.1
2001 108.7 104.0 104.8 107.5 108.6 109.8 111.7 113.6 114.1 114.0 115.5 114.6
2002 113.5 114.6 113.3 110.5 108.8 106.2 102.7 98.7 94.6 90.5 85.3 82.1
2003 81.0 78.6 74.2 70.4 67.9 65.3 62.1 60.3 59.8 58.4 57.0 55.0
2004 52.1 49.4 47.2 45.6 43.9 41.7 40.2 39.3 37.6 35.9 35.4 35.2
2005 34.6 34.0 33.6 31.7 28.9 28.8 29.1 27.5 25.9 25.6 25.0 23.0
2006 20.8 18.7 17.4 17.1 17.4 16.4 15.3 15.6 15.6 14.2 12.7 12.1
2007 12.0 11.6 10.8 9.9 8.7 7.7 7.0 6.1 5.9 6.1 5.7 5.0
2008 4.2 3.6 3.3 3.3 3.5 3.2 2.7 2.6 2.2 1.8 1.7 1.7
2009 1.8 1.9 2.0 2.2 2.3 2.7 3.6 4.8 6.1 7.0 7.5 8.2
2010 9.2 10.6 12.3 13.9 15.4 16.3 16.7 17.4 19.6 23.2 26.5 28.9
2011 31.0 33.5 36.9 41.8 47.6 53.2 57.3 60.7e 63.4e 65.1e 67.7e 71.2e
2012 74.8e 77.9e
i was half asleep when I wrote that I think,I meant 2006 had the greatest ice melt and the temps now are way higher than they were then, so imagine how much the ice cap is going to melt this summer, probably 4 million square miles below anomaly baseline, which is slipping ever lower, and oh I love how these deniers use 10 year fluctuations in their anti-global warming beliefe ssystem, the average gets hotter and hotter, this must be compared to a 1900-1960 baseline in my opinion not perhaps 1900-2011 in comparison

this is just based on what I cant remeber off the top of my head where you started to see an increas in temps due to global warming in the 1950's on if you look at the data

before that ice cap data was basically a flat line on a graph then 1960 you see a sharp curve downwards from 16 million sq miles to3 or 4 maybe now this year.
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this is scary north of europe look at that loss of ice around those two island near the ice cap, for this time of year, no ice there is unreal


see even in 2006 the lowest ice cap area year
not comparable


you people dont know who your talking to. I know my SSSS

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Why do some of those photos look so Photo-Shopped??

I was just looking for some info about volcanic dust in the 1950s, and found a new site..

FakeGate | The Heartland Institute


FEBRUARY 24, 2012 - The Heartland Institute today released all the emails Pacific Institute President Peter Gleick sent to The Heartland Institute for the purpose of fraudulently obtaining internal Heartland documents. The emails can be found at Fakegate.org.

The emails reveal how Gleick “phished” the documents by stealing the identity of a Heartland board member, an act to which he publicly admitted in his February 20 Huffington Post confession. Minor redactions have been made to the emails to protect the individual privacy of those involved.

Gleick originally portrayed all of the documents he circulated, including the fake climate change strategy memo, as originating from Heartland. Now he claims he received that memo from an “anonymous source” before his theft. But the emails Heartland released today reveal Gleick never asked for either of the two documents that are specifically cited and summarized in the memo, suggesting the memo was written after, not before, he received the phished documents.

The newly released emails also reveal the first email from Gleick to Heartland was sent on January 27, 2012 – the same day he rejected a cordial invitation to debate climate science at The Heartland Institute’s 2012 anniversary benefit dinner in August. Email correspondence between Gleick and Heartland Institute Director of Communications Jim Lakely can be found here. That correspondence makes it evident Gleick was aware of Heartland’s policies concerning the confidentiality of its donors.

We repeat our request that the fake climate change strategy memo be removed from Web sites and blogs such as DeSmog Blog, Think Progress, and the Huffington Post, along with documents that were stolen from Heartland. It is the ethical thing to do.

Previous press releases from The Heartland Institute plus links to dozens of news reports and commentary on Gleick’s transgressions can be reviewed at Fakegate.org.

Heartland Institute Releases Peter Gleick Emails Detailing Fraud, Identity Theft | Heartland Institute


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Wow, it seems like some Warmers are still into dirty tricks.
Maybe they don't know how the courts handle ID fraud these days.
It's what they call a Zero tolerance policy now.
AKA mandatory Jail time. First offense?? The court don't care.

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