Comments on: DIY, Super-Efficient Fridge Uses .1 kWh a Day

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Coping: With WuJo Tuesday « UrbanSurvival — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:03:08 +0000

[...] Say, here’s a neat goody: Plans for a fridge that uses just 0.1 KWhr/day. [...]

By: EllisGL

EllisGL — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:45:24 +0000

How about the kids that are dying in our own country?

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Very nice idea, would love to see it in action.

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jackson | [url=http://www.websecuritysysetms.co.uk/]alrams[/url — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:38:56 +0000

I believe that the eco-efficient wave nowadays is totally self-indulgant, every new technology, every new latest thing, is just a selfish -self-promoting, improving way for western society to become happier, whilst all our time and effort is devoted on this, about 0.03 % of our weekly thoughts and efforts are about the 3rd world. Donating £3 a month to a charity is going to be a drop in the ocean. We need to be investing billions a month into all the African nations to give them food and water and to re-educate them so tyrannical leaders do not take charge in government and ruin the country.

0.03% of your weekly thoughts are on 3rd world thousands dying.

By: jonny

jonny — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:59:25 +0000

I meant an 800w constant / 1200w surge inverter

Jonny
Sonoma California

By: jonny

jonny — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:57:50 +0000

I run a Vitrifrigo 12v compressor fridge, 2 100w panels, 2 golf cart batteries, and a 25 amp charge controller in my motorhome. I have converted the interior lights to LED style, I have a small 500w microwave , and an 600w constant / 1200watt surge inverter.

System keeps the batteries fully charged even when not moving for one week.

Regards
Jonny
Sonoma California

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:02:34 +0000

John Clemence

I’m guessing your caravan fridge was in the 3 to 8 CF range. Check out this thread.

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2007/4/24/161341/327

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:46:25 +0000

John Clemence

A 200 watt solar panel array will keep a bank of batteries charged. Batteries can get exspensive esp. if you need a charger/transformer. The KWH demand, full load amps and run time of your refigeration needs would determine the size of your battery bank.
I think you need to know the size refigerator you need to come up with your electrical load. Im interested in your plans!

By: John Clemence

John Clemence — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:54:36 +0000

Hi,
Comparing price for running fridge and freezer is a good measure for establishing power used while I assume most comparisons are for equipment running grid mains voltage, I am more interested on “off grid” values – I have a holiday home with no mains power and got by with 100 watt solar panel with an inverter for lights, radio & tv and had a caravan gas fridge which has now died.
I am looking at what to replace the fridge with, I could get another gas one but my wife is rather reluctant, (after the last one leaked gas). I could buy a 12 volt (compressor?) fridge and I thought I could get another 100 watt solar panel & battery – would 100 watt be enough for just the fridge? or another thought was to get a mains powered fridge and run it off the new solar panel via an inverter.
I have also thought about converting a chest freezer into a fridge as mentioned on this list. Does anyone have any experience on this, 12 volt compressor fridges are very expensive – do fridges and freezers run off cheap inverters? are the freezer converted fridges really that much more efficient?
Any input most welcome.
Regards,
John.

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:42:09 +0000

Ben

I was not trying to call you out I did not read your post correctly I thought you stated the 18 Cf upright has an annual cost of $12 my bad again. Somebody might want to recheck my math

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:35:33 +0000

I can’t live with out a freezer either.
I have both an upright refigerator and a Chest Freezer. Excuse the run on sentences and spelling.
Lets say my old 13 CF chest Freezer cost me $34.72 a year and my Refigerator Cost me $39.23 a year. Your Looking at $74 a year. I Spent say $400 ea for a total of $800.
Maybe I could get rid of both and purchase a New Amana 25.1 cf from sears Model ABB2522FEB for $1,232.49. This is the most eff. refigerator that I can find from sears with a KWH/Cubic Foot rating of 18.92 or annual cost of $50.59. Great Deal.
Or I could purchase a Kenmore 24.9 CF freezer for $722.49 with a 20.56 KWH/CF rating reduce the run time from est 30 min/hour to est 3 min/hour with an anual electric cost of $5.45. I could keep my old Chest freezer or purchase a new one. If I purchase a new 13 cf chest freezer and the 24.9 cf freezer I will have 24.9 cf of refigerated space and 13 cf of freezer space for $1104.98 and my annual electric cost will be $40.17.
What have I gained by modifing a chest freezer vs. purchasing a new up right. Well I saved $127.51 -$60.00 for the Thermostat Control. Saved $10.00 a year in electricity and I gained 7.1 CF of refigerated space and 5.7 CF of Freezer space. If I compare the savings to what I have right now I will save $35 a year in electricity and still gain about 6 cf or refigerator space.

By: Ben

Ben — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:00:18 +0000

The one I looked at was item # 144787 which is $39/year (also 17 cu ft), though a difference of a couple dollars a year or a single cu ft is really splitting hairs. It still stands that overall this isn’t a good deal unless you can get by with only a fridge and no freezer. I know that I can’t.

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:55:33 +0000

My Bad $41 for 9.7 cf $43 for 18 Cf

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:52:14 +0000

I checked out that $400 Refigerator at Lowes. Annual cost $41.00

By: John S

John S — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:22:59 +0000

“A typical household refrigerator uses about 2 KW-hrs/day of energy. That is about 7% of household electrical usage. Many have two refrigerators, which means 14%”

Actually Steve, doubling the raw value does not double the percentage.

(Example: 2 kWh is 7% of 28.57 kWh. Adding another 2kWh/day fridge would bump the household daily power consumption to 30.57 kWh. Thus the two fridges would combine to 4kWh/day, or 13.08% of the household electricity bill, not 14%.)

It doesn’t change your point, however.

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:21:59 +0000

Ben

Thanks for the cost comparison.
The $25/year cost on the freezer would be reduced by the run time. I have seen min run times on large compressors. A timer could be integrated to protect the compressor from overheating. My upright freezer cuts on and off for as short a 1 min. I imagine if the min run time has been engineered out of the equation to reduce elctrical cost from the mfg. A thermal switch could be integrated as well.
The larger your refigeration needs the larger freezer you obviously need. The larger the freezer the electrical eff% goes up on some scale. When this tread was started I looked for a small Chest type freezer just for Drinks/Snacks. I wanted to start with a small Energy Star Rated freezer. When you look at the Sears/Lowes type stores the EStar Freezers are larger than my needs.

By: Ben

Ben — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:38:16 +0000

What about a freezer? To make this work you’d need to spend $400 buying at least a 5 cu ft fridge and 5 cu ft freezer. You’d have 10 cu ft of space. If the fridge uses half the power of the freezer mode, based on the energy tags that are on these, the fridge would cost $12.50/yr and the freezer $25 for a total of $38 for only 10 cu ft of space. On the other hand a $400 upright fridge/freezer combo is 18 cubic feet (almost twice the size) and uses $39 per year worth of power (numbers come from energy ratings at lowes.com).

Not to mention the fridge unit would probably break down much sooner due to the constant switching of power. This sounds impractical.

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By: Jeff

Jeff — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:37:08 +0000

When I was a kid we had a US-made slide-out freezer like the Japanese variety mentioned. It was a style-thing (possible ergonomics for fat folks) during the 70s to have the freezer side-by-side. We used to be smarter: more energy efficient and free exercise when you reach for the ice cream.

By: Chris

Chris — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:31:49 +0000

Google “johnson controls refrigerator thermostat”
around $60.00 est.